25 Jun 2019 12:34:09
Ed002.

Away from the transfer questions, what's your thoughts on young English managers securing decent positions?

I think Gerrard is doing a good job at Rangers, with some decent performances. Good first season for him imo. Now we hear Chelsea have been giving given permission to talk to Lampard, so it's a good sign for English manager and a good move for lampard.

I'm not sure what to think about the latter, though, obviously lampard is a Chelsea legend but they've lost their best player and have a potential transfer ban looming, it's a bloody tough job at the best of times.

I'm not a lampard or Chelsea fan but I'd hate to see him out of a job should results not work out, we all know how trigger happy the big boss is.

{Ed002's Note - It is always going to be case-by-case. Generally mainland European coaches start younger than the British coaches and achieve more because they are coaches first and managers second - that is not always the case in England. Gerrard has done OK at Rangers and may well consider a move back to England in a year or two. Lampard has done well at Derby which has given him a minimum two year opportunity at Chelsea. Eddie Howe has got himself a good reputation but it pretty much dries up after that. In terms of pure coaches, Steve Holland would be the pick of the English coaches. I don't know what you mean about "trigger happy" at Chelsea because many of the coaches have not been "sacked" and those that have moved on have not seen any change in terms of success. If you have players who are not performing then you move them on - the same with coaches - and Chelsea have averaged a cup or Championship per season since the owner arrived - 16 or 17 now - and Liverpool have won three things in that same period. Maybe Chelsea has it right.}

1.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 13:21:49
As you say ed the Chelsea owner has bought them some success. But they are in a mess atm. It will be a long time until they are challenging for the main 2 trophies.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any mess.}

2.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 13:39:15
Always digging at Liverpool. 6 European cups won.

{Ed002's Note - Read the post - the truth is hardly a dig at Liverpool. Cretin.}

3.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 13:53:07
weather we agree or not on how Roman hires his managers, the trophy haul is impressive, even Sarri leaves with his 1st ever trophy as a manager and his reputation intact.
Frank Lampard I feel will be given time by the Chelsea fan base, and its not like there is a shortage of players for frank to choose from.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean about agreeing or not as you have not said anything at all. Lampard will be given a minimum of two years as I have explained.}

4.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 13:58:31
I remember one of the Ed’s mentioning the Crowley brothers as a reference to good young coaches.

5.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 14:04:28
I know frank loves chelsea but its not the right job for him. Managers don't last at chelsea. And what lampard needs, after a grudgingly good first season as a manaager, is a club, in a top league, where he can find a home. Somewhere to build a team.
Im not a big chelsea fan but i quite like frank lampard. He's no dummy, great footballer. I don't see how one season at chelsea is going to help him. 5 years at west ham would suit him better imo. Even Newcastle, but that really is a mess.

Eddie howe has been decent
I like chris houton too, i think he is an excellent manager. Perhaps a future england manager.

6.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 14:29:54
Anyone who knows anything about football knows there’s no such thing a minimum 2 years for a premier league manager! I’d like Lampard to do well. seems like a nice guy but if it goes tits up and Chelsea find themselves in the bottom half near the season end, he’ll be gone.

Not just Frank either. OGS has 3 years apparently, but we’ll see how long he gets.

{Ed002's Note - You should start your posts with "Speaking from a position of complete ignorance ..." rather than "Anyone who knows anything about football ...".}

7.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 14:50:47
Ed002 all I meant was some fans like the way Chelsea change managers and keep winning, and some don't.

{Ed002's Note - I appreciate that you may be jealous of Chelsea keeping on winning.}

8.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 15:07:04
Your on form today ed002. Love your work.

9.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 15:22:05
We shall see how long he gets. only time will tell.
You shouldn’t let your Chelsea bias cloud your judgement so much Ed002.not very becoming :- (.

{Ed002's Note - You seem to be struggling to understand the truth as expalined. You think there is any bias in this post? It is embarrassing to read this nonsense from you.}

10.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 16:32:04
ed002 Chelsea have had good success under roman more so at the beginning but it was not as hard as it is now with city having so much spending power. I do think over the last few years Chelsea have got rid off managers to soon. Does not give them a chance to build on what they had. I know they did not get rid of Sarri but he did take a lot of stick through the season and they did start great and finished ok as well just the middle part of the season went a bit tits up. But I think if they are going to go back to challenging city they have got to stick to a manager to let him build the team how he wants. because I do think they are more than 2 years behind city and us now. And with a 2 Transfer window ban it does not help. The Style in play from Conte to Sarri was a bit like chalk and cheese so a lot of the players did not suit the way he wanted to play. Don't think Jose to Conte was to much of a jump. My be frank might get a few more years than just the 2 to build a team to play how he wants and get the right players to play that way. At least some of the Chelsea youth players will get there chance if there is a 2 window ban have not seen anything from the centre forwards they have brought in to think any are better than young Abrahams and frank has worked with the young lad at derby that looks a good player. Even Loftus-Cheek for me should be in before Kova?i?, Barkley and Jorginho.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea are still successful now - it is not something from years ago. There are lots like Sarri in that they did not "get rid" of them. Liverpool have wonsomething for the first time in years and suddenly you think other sides are two years behind. Until a little over a year ago Chelsea were the Premier League title holders. I am not sure why you expect the youth players to be appearing and Loftus Cheek has not been fit enough to play a full game for a year, so that makes zero sense. It is all rather bemusing.}

11.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 16:58:28
Ed002 I don't have a jealous bone in my body! thanks for taking the time to reply to my posts.

12.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 17:21:50
He'll get sacked after the SuperCup.

13.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 18:29:01
There is no denying that whilst Chelsea go through managers like skittles they are one of the most successful clubs in the world in the last decade.

14.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 21:20:57
One can argue that there are two successful models in modern football, one is more commonly used than the other -

1. Managers are given extended periods where even when things aren't going well the manager is afforded time (fergie, Wenger are examples)

2. Manager are swapped once the results dip (look at Madrid, Chelsea, Barca, Bayern, most teams in Italy)

Method 1 is uncommon these days and arguably less successful as while it works when the manager is good and present when they leave it creates a situation where a club is in turmoil for a long time, us, united are good examples of this.

An argument can be made that method 2 is more successful and suited to the modern game.

15.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 22:13:34
ed002 I won't having ago at Chelsea but over the last 2 season they have dropped down from being league champions. And I don't see Chelsea turning round 25 points in one season with my be a 2 transfer window ban. And just losing there best player by a mile, who I think was not just Chelsea's best player but I thought he was the best player in the league. And I can't remember to many Chelsea mangers walking out on them. And they are not winning trophies at the same rate as the beginning. And I am not putting Liverpool in the Chelsea was at the start under Abramovich. it is more city who are winning and with pep there am not sure changing mangers every other season will help them get anywhere near city or us at the minute. but we still have a lot to prove. And am not sure if we will have another league season like last season but I do expect city to.

{Ed002's Note - Sure, whatever you want. I am not so sure you understand about the coaches.}

16.) 25 Jun 2019
25 Jun 2019 23:04:40
And there are other available words to start a sentence with besides, "And".

17.) 26 Jun 2019
26 Jun 2019 01:53:56
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is that the players that have been at Chelsea have been able to adapt to different coaches. There are players out there who fit a specific way of playing and others who can play a number of ways without reducing the quality of their product. Ed. 002 is right, Chelsea have been incredibly successful with a variety of coaches. How much of that is down to the players in the squad and the coaches themselves is up for debate but there is no doubt the incoming coaches have all been able to work with what's in the pantry and turn out good results almost instantly without having to make whole sale changes. Good coaching or good squad? A bit of both in my mind.