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04 Aug 2017 14:51:26
Do you think counts could leave now there are rumours of a 135 million bid for him? don't know if that would be pounds or Euros, but surely that sort of money can't be ignored specially if he wants the move because I can't see it being offered next year.
1.) 04 Aug 2017 15:11:00
We need to keep our best players, I would love to be able to say no thank you to Barcelona, I wouldn't even take a messi swap .
2.) 04 Aug 2017 16:16:38
I'd wager it was in Mexican Pesos given that sort of figure.
3.) 04 Aug 2017 18:08:10
It's a feasible figure in Euro given the ridiculous numbers being quote for Neymar, Mbappe and the fact that Coutinho is fast becoming high profile in the Brazilian squad and has quite a few years to get better.
I hope we still don't sell - he'll be difficult to replace at this stage, even with money to burn. It was also clear against Athletico that you sometime need a Coutinho that can unlock even the most stubborn defences with a moment of magic.
He's not called the little magician for nothing, and they don't come along that often.
4.) 04 Aug 2017 23:45:16
Neymar, Mbappe, Lukaku, Griezmann all of them are forwards who generally score lots of goals. Hence why the figures for them are considered to be very large. Clubs pay a premium for players who score goals. Just look at Lukaku, he scored something around 25 goals last season and no offence to Everton but there midfielders/ wingers aren't exactly world class. On the other hand Firmino only scored 11 goals despite having superior players creating better chances for him. Coutinho isn't a goal scorer, and whilst he is undoubtedly a special player, he's nowhere near worth the figures you're saying.
5.) 05 Aug 2017 00:33:07
Pogba, fuser?
6.) 05 Aug 2017 08:24:20
Coutinho is worth probably the same as Pogba so around 90m. Far away from the 135m people are saying.
7.) 05 Aug 2017 11:14:48
Pogba was last year, before to revenues jumped by nearly 50%.
So £90m + 50% = £135m
Just sayin 😎.
8.) 05 Aug 2017 11:43:04
Spot on, Redforever.
18 Jul 2017 14:24:46
Eds ojo going to fulham on loan is will this go towards patching up are relationship with them sesignion next year? Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - patching the relationship yes. Not about Sessegnon, just trying to make amends.}
1.) 18 Jul 2017 19:17:59
Good to see that ed we need to start making a mense not just with them. I see you mentioned something I thought as well about paying over the odds for vvd and keita as a sort olive branch if you like think the club needs to do this and start acting properly! Last one ed u think if psg get neymar that we could spell the end for counts? Thanks.
2.) 18 Jul 2017 22:20:19
Since Sessengon was first choice, I wonder if Klopp will have one eye on this for the future.
3.) 19 Jul 2017 09:05:22
I think you are right Welsh boy. Could be ehy klopp hasn't put 40 mil on the table for a lb. Even though we're throwing 70 65 mil about. Eight mil Robertson. Does well for a couple of years then we swoop in for him in couple of years once we blow spurs away.
04 Jun 2017 11:55:32
Some right dome mungers on here. Ask yourself if you trust klopp instinct on players ir as are manager? if u do stop slating players when they have not even kicked a ball for us yet and if you trust klopp slate him nit the players that ain't even at are club yet. look at gini most of u slated him and yet been one of are best players.
1.) 04 Jun 2017 12:05:39
Klopp's transfer dealings at Dortmund were excellent. There's absolutely no reason whatever to believe that he won't do a damn fine job at Liverpool.
2.) 04 Jun 2017 14:03:12
I think Klopp could work far more under the radar during early days at Dortmund. Now anyone he is interested in will get more attention and double or triple in price.
3.) 04 Jun 2017 14:15:03
This is not Dortmund and not the bundesliga, we're competing with 5 other clubs for players not 1, you can't compare the two, ridiculous to try.
4.) 04 Jun 2017 14:37:41
He also had a competent and experienced team of people behind the scenes. Can't exactly say he has that here.
5.) 04 Jun 2017 14:57:33
Dome Mungers? Wtf? 😂.
29 Jan 2017 00:03:54
Edo2 leandro paredes to liverpool?
{Ed002's Note - Roma has signed a replacement for Paredes (on loan with view to a permanent move) and have offered him to another club as part of a deal for someone else. That has fallen on deaf ears but they do have an offer on the table for him from elsewhere already. Liverpool have looked at him before so it would not be out of the question but I am not aware of them having declared an interest at this time.}
1.) 29 Jan 2017 07:54:33
Thanks edo2
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Mike.}
2.) 29 Jan 2017 10:43:20
"Edo "😠I like that.
I think Paredes is a quality player but who are we going to sell. We have a truck load of central midfielders - Lucas, Can, Wijnaldum, Hendo, Lallana, Ejaria, Grujic, Stewart off the top of my head.
3.) 29 Jan 2017 11:54:36
Ron, I suspect that Lucas and possibly even Can will move on in the summer. So yes, a midfielder is definitely being lined up with extra European games next season
4.) 29 Jan 2017 11:59:44
Lucas, can, ejaria, Stewert, grujic are all not good squad player quality. Nothing more.
We buy if we must, and move a few on in the summer. I keep seeing the eds tell us our squad is overloaded with midfielders, and with strikers, and with centre backs. but then I'm told our squad is thin, therefore it must be thin of quality. So we must add quality
5.) 29 Jan 2017 14:40:04
Depends on how much he costs. If he costs in the region of €30/ 40 million then he has to take a midfield birth but if he is in the region of €10/ 20 million then it would be quite acceptable to think of him replacing one of the squad players but there is no way Liverpool would pay circa €40 million to replace say Lucas or Stewart and the like. It just won't happen imo.
16 Feb 2015 10:33:48
eds just wondering has there been any more news on manger candidates mentioned for if or when Rodgers goes at the end of the season? I recall Ed002 saying de boer and don't rule out rafa anyone else in the rekoning? cheers
{Ed001's Note - too early to be sure right now. It all comes down to what system is finally settled on and if a DoF is brought in, who he recommends.}
1.) 16 Feb 2015 12:10:39
So the club is actually looking to replace Brendan?
Cheers
{Ed001's Note - nothing is decided, that is the whole point. The review is still ongoing, it is a major undertaking to review a whole football club's operations in the Premier League era. They are international corporations in the modern era and everything is being revamped and modernised to improve Liverpool's chances of competing in the long term. The footballing side is part of that process and Rodgers will have to accept changes, at the very least.}
2.) 16 Feb 2015 12:16:32
I cnt see fsg getin rid of rodgers he's got a settled team making massive progress right now and who is better than him frank de boer? Klopp? Not at this moment
3.) 16 Feb 2015 12:23:53
Right mate, misunderstood your first post! I really hope we stick with Brendan, because in my opinion he's a great manager! Hopefully he'll accept if changes are made for the benefit of the clubs future and progress! Cheers for your reply mate!
{Ed001's Note - I would hope so, as a coach there are not many better, it is the management side he falls down on. I don't understand his desire to be a manager anyway, after all his claimed ambition is to manage Madrid or Barca, neither of which would hire a manager. They both use the head coach model.}
4.) 16 Feb 2015 12:33:32
I totally agree with your sentiments! He's a fantastic coach, especially with young talented players! That's one of the reasons I can't see FSG replacing him, with the owners youth policy!
You say that it's the management side of things that BR is failing at, what do you mean by that?
{Ed001's Note - the discussion of things that should be kept confidential in the media, the taking credit for everything good that happens while blaming others for everything that goes wrong, the long term planning for youth players.
So far he has been warned numerous times over his comments to the media and asked not to say so much. He is still continuing to open his mouth out of turn.
He takes the credit for every good performance by a player, rather than just saying it is a reward for their hard work on the training ground or similar. His praise for them is always aimed at bigging up his part in it. Long term that is not the way to make a player perform for you, a manager should be there to shield a player from flak and give them the credit for the good performances.
When players are not performing, he piles on the pressure with his comments about them, rather than looking to shield them. It makes it difficult to trust your manager when he does it every time. He needs to learn to pick and choose when to call out a player on his performance, the way Mourinho does. It should be one of those things you do very rarely, so they know when it happens that they really have stepped over a line.
The transfers had to be taken out of his hands he had made such a mess of them.
His management of young players was poor, only using them when he has to. The summer being a case in point, getting two right backs out of the club so he could loan one in. That has led to pressure to change, hence the recall of Ibe and subsequent usage of him. He is now being reminded of his promises to look to the youth first, only buying when there isn't an option there to choose.
That is what I mean by management. A head coach just gets the players playing well in the system set out for him, that is something Rodgers is excellent at. Managing a club is clearly too much for him, and that is no shame, as I personally believe that Premier League clubs are too big for a manager in the modern era.}
5.) 16 Feb 2015 12:36:36
Ed001, I don't know if excited is the right word but are you excited by this on-going review? What I mean to say is do you expect it to bear fruits in the coming season and should we as fans look forward to the changes that might/will happen with regards to the running of the club?
Thanks Ed.
{Ed001's Note - I am nervous about it to be honest. There have been too many false dawns at the club, I fear this will be another, as the kind of people that are well respected in the US are people like Klinsmann. I really hope they don't seek to consult people like that or we will be in serious trouble as he is clueless.}
6.) 16 Feb 2015 12:55:56
Okey, I see your point!
Thank you for your reply! Much appreciated!
One last question for you mate, do you reckon we'll qualify for the Champions League this season? Either through a top four finish or through winning the Europa League?
{Ed001's Note - I am going to have to say no, as I am too superstitious to say yes!}
7.) 16 Feb 2015 13:20:01
Haha okey, cheers mate :)
I feel fairly confident about reaching the Champions League to be honest! We're in good form as always during the second part of the season! But hey, I'm always over optimistic ;)
Have a great day! Thanks again for the info!
{Ed001's Note - you are welcome mate, enjoy your day and I hope you are right.}
8.) 16 Feb 2015 13:48:54
Ed really interesting insight. Have to ask tho the negative points you mentioned do you think his age is on his side and is something he will develop? Or is he too stubborn and it will be to the detriment of the club hope he'll develop. Personally would love to see him work out well for the club- but not sure if it's because I've just bought in to his blagging!
{Ed001's Note - I don't think he will learn on those, which is why I would like to see those things taken out of his hands and put in the hands of a DoF.}
9.) 16 Feb 2015 16:14:46
Who would be your ideal Dof at this moment in time ed? and do you think fsg will look to someone who adopts the same style of play as were currently utilizing?
{Ed002's Note - The director of football will not be interfering with the style of play and much would depend on who the manager is going to be. If Rodgers stays someone like ex-referee Lubos Michel might be suitable. He is getting a very good reputation at Shakhtar Donetsk.}
10.) 16 Feb 2015 18:33:29
Would Nicola Cortese be an option? Did an excellent job at Southampton and a very good negotiator, both clubs have a similar model in terms of business strategy and recruitment policy.
{Ed001's Note - he is not a DoF and he left Southampton a bit of a mess.}
11.) 16 Feb 2015 21:32:10
Well, I thought Lubos Michel works as head of the international competitions department in Donetsk, not DoF. He looks good in diplomacy, don't know much about his management skills. Why do you think Ed it would be good partnership MichelRodgers? Thanks
{Ed002's Note - I answered the question - I am not going to get in to rationalising.}
12.) 17 Feb 2015 08:02:33
Ed I seen a coach gets the players to play a system set out for them but in my opinion the coach has to pick the system
Did I take it up wrong? ? ?
{Ed001's Note - it depends on the coach and his responsibilities. At clubs Cruyff takes charge of, the head coach follows the tactics he sets out and is responsible for teaching the players how to play it. At other clubs, such as Chelsea and Man City, the head coach picks the tactics and trains the players how to play it. There is no one size fits all.}
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07 May 2019 18:55:04
Hi Ed o2 hope your well been reading your posts about salah wanting to leave and was wondering vwith sane wanting out at City would he be 1 affordable and 2 would both parties have interest in this for me think he would be a perfect fit thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no interest in him any longer. He has been offered to a couple of clubs including one in England. Manchester City will do what they can to have him stay but I doubt that they will give him guarantees.}
1.) 07 May 2019 19:18:03
A better replacement than Insigne, in my opinion.
2.) 07 May 2019 20:53:15
I'll definitely prefer Sane to Insigne. Probably take him before any other winger. And we'll still have money left over from the Salah sale to get Brandt.
Trent and Sane on the right, Robertson and Mane on the left.
15 Jul 2017 07:43:09
Just been talking about who leaves cause if naby joins then we are stacked in mid like edo2 says can't keep buying with out selling also if expected ox comes to then I would say 2 first teamers would go any idea who eds sore edo1 say counts but unless he wants to go I can't see it surley it wiuld be counts hendo naby in mid so that leaves can lal gini gruic ejaria spanish lad I forget his name done well in first to games preseason so as u see were over loaded who goes? Cheers.
1.) 15 Jul 2017 08:25:27
Can maybe? Still no contract is there?
2.) 15 Jul 2017 08:28:27
Just seen the post below! Question answered I think! Hope Coutinho stays but I agree with Ed1 it looks like we're preparing for life without him 😞.
3.) 15 Jul 2017 08:30:52
Good question! I think Keita (if we sign him) will play a box to box role as one of the two in midfield behind Couts or Lallana next year. So in those two positions we can rotate Hendo, Can, Keita, and Wini. That leaves Leiva and Stewart to go out the door and Ejaria coming through. I can't see Chiravella (the Spanish lad) or brannagan coming through and as much as I like the look of him maybe Grujic will leave. This depends on how Hendo is with his persistent injury and it has been mentioned on here he may be fazed out, so Grujic will have a slot to fit in. Can't see where Ox would play so don't think he'll come to us.
10 May 2017 18:14:32
Anyone else think taa could be the new gerrard seems to be scoring quite a bit full of energy for the midfield role future captain dare I say.
{Ed025's Note - still very young though mike and has actually achieved very little up to now, to compare him with stevie g is ludicrous at the moment as we have seen players before who have not progressed but looked like world beaters when they were young, take jack rodwell for instance, at 17 he was touted as a future england captain yet now struggles to get on the bench for sunderland, lets see how he progresses over the next couple of seasons before we start burdening him with titles like the new gerrard mate..
1.) 10 May 2017 18:56:37
Spot on, Ed25. These comparisons need to stop. This is what has caused rift btw fans regarding Hendo. Many slate him stupidly, cos he's not like SG, as if anyone is. While others like myself do not compare him to anyone and ask that he be allowed to develop and become the best player he can be for us. Same for TAA.
Allow the kid to breathe and learn the game cos if you don't, you get the likes of Rodwell and Barkley, over-hyped with little to NO quality cos they are living up to a reputation they can not back up with their talents.
2.) 10 May 2017 18:58:44
Players like Gerrard are few and far between. It does no one any good to burden young players with these comparisons. I'd be delighted if TAA becomes a 1st team regular.
{Ed025's Note - your right andy..
3.) 10 May 2017 20:04:52
If i had a medal for you ed.
Absolutely spot on.
{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..
4.) 10 May 2017 20:38:39
Just saying the likness in terms of how sg started rb to mid scoring goals why everyone has to go off on one chill.
5.) 11 May 2017 00:05:47
Can he do it on a cold rainy night at Stoke?
🤔🤔.
{Ed007's Note - Ed025? I doubt it, at his age he's lucky if he can do it with 2 bars switched on on the fire and a Fisherman's Friend in his gub ;) Ed003's your man for outdoor deviant behaviour.....
6.) 11 May 2017 01:00:57
Lol
😂😂
Speechless now haha
Cheers for the reply in a fit of giggles now for the night.
🤣🤣.
21 Mar 2017 17:24:44
Sorry but the blindness to counts is unbelievable people say we can't replace him or who with well 6 goals and 5/ 6 assits is not hard to replace at all if wood burn had played the same amount of games I bet he would have the same stats. The problem with him is he goes missing for 2 thirds of the season he's so inconsistent and if someone offers 50 mill plus this would be better spent else were on the positions we need lw st lb so for me he is very replaceable as we already have players that can replace him.
1.) 21 Mar 2017 18:06:29
The onl6 thing you worry we would replace is him and firmino. There connection is rediculous.
But is it worth 200k a week for half a season. Always a november injury and then a long wait back for him to hit form?
Not in my eyes and think we ciuld do with pace on the left anyway. Leaving lallaba and firmino in the middle.
Would love
Mane lallana costa
Firmino.
2.) 21 Mar 2017 18:07:57
Agree totally Mike. ain't hard to replace the way he is playing at minute.
3.) 21 Mar 2017 18:23:56
LFC player of the year 2 yrs running, yeah he's rubbish.
4.) 21 Mar 2017 18:38:30
So our best player over the last two years has an injury, struggles a bit to find his best form and now some morons (I won't call them fans) want him sold. Some people don't understand what YNWA stands for.
5.) 21 Mar 2017 18:39:33
Exactly Ron. The fickleness on here sometimes is quite extraordinary.
6.) 21 Mar 2017 19:03:53
He'll score a worldy in the next game and everyone will go back into their shells. He's having a poor patch but he's coming back from an injury and will come back stronger when he finds his form, I actually think one game a week isn't actually that beneficial for players trying to find their form, he needs as much game time as possible.
7.) 21 Mar 2017 19:34:25
This is exactly the line a lot of Liverpool fans took with Alonso in 07-08 when he picked up a couple of injuries and was out of sorts.
Same fans now describe selling him a year later as Rafa's biggest mistake. If they're being polite about it.
8.) 21 Mar 2017 19:38:57
Frankly, who are these "fans" coming on here slagging off Couts cos he's going thru a rough patch? We will stick with him in his time of distress come hell or high water cos he is one of ours and has contributed a lot to our season and his rough patch will NEVER change that. You should all be ashamed of yourselves with your disgraceful posts kicking one of our own while he's down instead of supporting him during this struggle. Pathetic!
9.) 21 Mar 2017 19:48:31
We might get 50 for him but wats to say the owners will give us it all to spend. If we want to challenge we need to keep our best players experienced players and gelled players not sell them cause they had 5 poor games. Our fans r frustrating to listen to at times.
10.) 21 Mar 2017 20:04:55
We sold Suarez and bought Lovren, Lallana and Lambert.
What a disaster that was.
Don't sell your best players unless they want to leave.
11.) 21 Mar 2017 20:26:10
I haven't seen one person yet say they want him sold. I have seen a lot of people say they wouldn't turn down a stupid offer and a few people say that he is replaceable. That is a little bit different to people saying he is a bad player who we should actively look to sell!
12.) 21 Mar 2017 20:36:25
To be fair Ron, lfc has been rubbish for 2 years so it wouldn't be hard to be player of the year.
We all know who will win it this year.
13.) 21 Mar 2017 21:07:28
Ko Lo - the usual way to progress is to keep your best players and replace the worst ones.
Selling your best players is not the path to success.
14.) 21 Mar 2017 21:25:38
Ron - don't let your optimism come in the way of judgement.
Very valid points by Ko Lo and MK.
Yes, Couts is the only world class player in our team not considering Sturridge.
However if an offer comes anywhere near 50 or 60, I don't think the club will hesitate to do business.
Also to fellow posters - please don't call fans as morons or question their love towards club just because they have a different point of view or look for reasoning.
Cheers.
15.) 21 Mar 2017 22:18:15
Ill put it this way he won player of the year 2 years running let's be honest not been hard to do has it wat has liverpool acheived in this time nothing and him being player of the year means nothing either. 3 games out of ten he's class the other 7 dier that's wat I see simple.
16.) 21 Mar 2017 23:11:25
I've seen loads of posts saying sell him over the past few weeks.
17.) 21 Mar 2017 23:29:13
We should get another winger/ attacker. Couts is not that effective there, far better in a midfield position. Think Iniesta.
Wouldn't mind trying our luck with Mahrez. Him on the right, Mané on the left, Bobby in the middle. Behind them Couts and Lallana/ Gini or even Hendo in a difficult game away. Mahrez would obviously add some venom at set pieces aswell.
18.) 22 Mar 2017 06:59:51
If goals is the issue then people are missing the point that he isn't meant to be a main scorer, that is being picked up because of a different problem, no consistent scorer. so him and Firminho look like they're not doing enough. Same with assists, you can only get an assist if the other guy scores. Get a striker who will score around 20 league goals a season and those 2 will look like they have a big value.
19.) 22 Mar 2017 09:01:04
Madness, whenever we lose our star players we b**** about them leaving. We have a current one and people say we should take 50 odd mil for him!? Who are going to get for 50 mil to replace him!? Why would they come to Liverpool if we were selling our best players? What guarantees do they have that they will be more effective than him? Or that they won't get injured? Forget about his goals and asssists -when he plays he gives the other team something totally different to deal with, usually assigning two players to deal with him. Teams haven't had something to worry about like him since Suarez. Keep your best players, replace the weak ones and success will usually follow.
20.) 22 Mar 2017 09:45:50
Couts is not world class. In fact i would say he is not even the best in the PL in my opinion. That would go to Silva.
21.) 22 Mar 2017 10:06:38
Couts, origi can, are all young players who can in theory improve year on year for the next 5 years.
They ain't that bad now and each have had patches showing talent that will become more consistent over time.
With TTA, ojo and Woodburn coming along after.
The future looks good.
Hopefully Gomez can step up but we really need to sign a top centre half and probably a full back.
The keeper situation needs addressing but weather it's the coach that needs changing or the keepers is open to debate.
22.) 21 Mar 2017 10:21:29
I wouldn't sell him for £100 mill. Nothing to do with the value but it will be a wrong message to players who would want to join us. You cannot convince players on a project which sells their best players every year.
It's not the value he brings to the team it's his undoubted quality. What is the actual point in securing the CL of you at ready to accept money for players like Couts and Mane?
23.) 22 Mar 2017 10:22:31
Keeping him and adding a left winger will be the step forward. Not to sell him and try all summer to replace a like to like player. I feel sorry for people who counts on Lallana and want to sell Coutinho.
What is the point in securing CL if you are not going to keep your star players?
24.) 22 Mar 2017 12:31:43
Attract good players by selling your best players. Brilliant, right? WRONG! Nonsensical argument, really. Good luck attracting good players by selling your best players. So cos Couts and Firmino (who when on form are unplayable) are having a dip in form, we should sell them. Thank heavens such "fans" on here don't run the club. We would be in the Conference with such daft thinking.
I would NEVER sell Couts nor Firmino nor any of our best players cos you need them to compete and attract other good players. Arsenal have been doing that and now look at them. And those kicking Couts and Bobbie while their down should hang their heads in shame for not supporting them in their time of need. Pathetic attitude from our "fans".
{Ed002's Note - If Coutinho goes it will because he wants to not becaase Liverpool want him to.}
04 Mar 2017 19:28:28
A much improved performance from can today hopefully he can take some confidence from that. now again don't get carried away it needs to be like this week in week out now if we play likr that and loose I can take that because everyone is giving there all.
1.) 04 Mar 2017 19:43:24
Much improved but a heck of a long way to go to challenge for the league, a top 4 spot is doable though.
30 May 2019 20:30:49
For me though we will play 50 plus games so between the front 3 that's 150 games so if we got a quality player they wouldn't sit on the bench would they between the 4 they could play at least 35 plus games a season plus sub aperances so don't get we can't sign a quality player that will rotate with are 3.
12 May 2019 10:10:36
Wat are his silly demands that real Madrid are laughing at?
06 Aug 2017 22:42:23
is this ajax guy a potential replacement for counts then?
19 Jul 2017 09:55:52
Dont get it moving where they have rejected it.
18 Jul 2017 19:17:59
Good to see that ed we need to start making a mense not just with them. I see you mentioned something I thought as well about paying over the odds for vvd and keita as a sort olive branch if you like think the club needs to do this and start acting properly! Last one ed u think if psg get neymar that we could spell the end for counts? Thanks.
15 Dec 2017 09:00:37
Matches that on another night the decisions could of gone with us last night the handball witch looks a good goal to me and the pen against Everton shame but these are the type of games we probably lose last year were so close but progress has definitely been made.
The only problem I see is with the subs klopp is slow to react with them with correct player on and off how can he improve on this? Thanks.
11 Dec 2017 20:57:42
Feel klopp needs to be better with his subs timing and players on/ off one area he lacks in yesterday clear we need a goal so should of seen counts and bobby come on for dom/ milner on at least 60mins get the goal then take Salah off but he sub Salah and ox off arguably are best attackers of the day. Subs are vital part of the game he needs to be better.
10 Sep 2017 08:35:37
Why blame anyone seriously its one game were we had are best player sent off it was always going to be a loss after that move on.
10 Sep 2017 08:34:51
Get a grip seriously the game had gone with the red card.
09 Aug 2017 14:26:06
Totally agree people freaking out about counts yet they were all for it happening with vvd and naby.