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08 Mar 2016 09:36:32
I rate both Firmino and Coutinho highly and at the start of the season i was licking my lips at the thought of them playing together for us. But so far they've only played 9 times together in the league. That is just under a third of the games we've played. Hopefully we'll see them play more regularly together for the rest of the season and next season! If they manage to do so i am absolutely positive we will improve no ends. I think they've already shown small signs of a good understanding - something that can only develop as they play more together. Firmino moves around so well and we've seen what a difference it makes to Coutinho to play with someone like that compared to a Benteke or a Balotelli. With Sturridge making his comeback and ings still to come back, young talented players like Ibe, Ojo, Kent who play on the wing, maybe Markovic coming back - we do not need to add to much on top of the pitch - if anything.

I think the future is very bright and i am so optimistic at the moment. I'm in love with being a Liverpool fan.


1.) 08 Mar 2016 10:42:01
yes, coutinho's ball control and dribbling is immense its like he's from another earth.

2.) 08 Mar 2016 10:21:49
Ed001 if you about, any idea how Smith is progressing off the field since his contract signing? Part of me thinks well as he's had a couple of opportunities and showed real promise. However with Moreno's performances of late I would like to have thought Smith might have gotten more opportunities.
Now that I've written this I have got the sense that he could just be injured at the moment, so I'll adapt the question slightly if that is the case to, do you think if Moreno and Enrique leave in the summer we potentially have enough cover already with Smith and Gomez with flannagan and clyne as potential back ups if needed?

{Ed001's Note - he had done well but not well enough to be relied on yet, I would prefer us to look to bring in one, as Gomez, Flanno and Clyne are not left backs and they should only be used as emergency cover.}

3.) 08 Mar 2016 13:11:53
Spot on, ED. Is Guerrero a good LB in your mind?

{Ed001's Note - I have not seen enough of him yet to really be sure. I did watch that Rodriguez a few times recently and he was dreadful. Not sure if he is just going through a bad patch, but he was hopeless.}

4.) 08 Mar 2016 18:32:18
Rodriguez is just like Moreno IMO as in, can`t defend to save his life.

{Ed001's Note - that is how he looked to me in the games I saw. He was giving away silly fouls as well, due to chasing back and lunging in. It was very reminiscent of Moreno.}



29 Feb 2016 09:59:23
Such a fine margin between getting hailed as the best thing ever and getting ridiculed and attacked by internet trolls. Had that penalty shootout gone the other way all you slamming our players and manager would be singing their songs. It is truly embarrasing.

We drew the game 1-1 and lost the lottery of penalties. Get over it and move on.

I think the boys out there did me proud. I wanted us to win and we didn't - but i enjoyed the game, the thrill and the exitement.

I enjoyed the fact that we where fighting for a trophy again and i never thought we'd be in a position to do that back in september/ october.

Mistakes where made - surely. You never loose without making mistakes. But mistakes are part of the game and i fully trust our players, manager and the coaching staff to learn from those mistakes.

So i am positive, in a strange way, the day after a sour defeat.

We will be in this situation again and we will fight for trophies again. Next time maybe we'll have the luck and/ or ability to get it over the line. But we where very close yesterday - painfully close and i prefer painfully close to painfully far away.

I want my pulse to go crazy. I want to be jumping on my seat every cross, header, clearence, shoot, pass, deadball, tackle, mazy run and interception - and i did that.

I was tortured and entertained and i enjoyed every second of it right until the end.

Now i can't be happy - but full of hope for another chance to live the game, feel like a football fan - a Liverpool fan. And a Liverpool fan i am!

Up next is Manchester City. What a blessing - let's put this right. The united games - let's put this right. The derby - let's put this right.

Lets go and try to win the Euro League. Get us another final, another chance to be football fans - and let us be football fans, yes let us be Liverpool fans and not pathetic internet trolls.

Lets believe and let's be proud.


1.) 29 Feb 2016 10:06:49
Post of the day!



09 Jan 2016 16:00:40
As things stand right now - i think it is likely we will alow Benteke, Allen, Toure, Balotelli and Enrique to go in the summer. But for me there is a lot of players in danger - many of them not for lack of trying though.

- Lallana is really strugling to have an impact
- Milner have been nowhere good enough and is getting payed way to much
- Clyne have been a dissapointment for me, ads nothing when going forward and dosn't look solid when defending
- Moreno is hit and miss
- Skrtel is still making to many bad decisions
- Lovren is definately improving, but is he the long term solution on the right next to Sakho?
- Sturridge is class but rarely available
- Markovic i can't judge - but do he even want to stay?
- Mignolet looks better than under BR but i can't see him drastically improve his obvious weaknesses
- Ilori and Teixeira may only have the rest of the season to prove their worth

I properbly left somebody out and some may feel i included someone unfairly. But anyway, my point is that very few players can feel safe.

I certainly don't want to many changes this summer but i do see quite a few go regardless.

You see people like Götze, Aubameyang, Subotic etc mentioned in the press - but for me they aren't typical Klopp signings and with quite a few possible outgoings i find myself wondering who could replace those who end up leaving.

This is totally hypothetical - but what players out there do you guys think would be an improvement on those who may leave? Who is exiting you?

I am thinking of talents like Kagawa, Lewandowski, Piszczek, Subotic etc. before they went to dortmund. Players who isn't amongst the most recognized names. Players who are talented, may be affordable and realistically may want to join.



1.) 09 Jan 2016 16:04:48
Well, Lavije, if many of them players leave, don't expect us to even challenge for the top four for a decade.

You should know that Brendan made a big mistake by bringing in too many players.

It's a slow process in which as a club, we should learn from our mistakes.

For the sake of our squad, regardless of talent, half of that list at least will be here next season.

2.) 09 Jan 2016 16:23:46
You will have a very hard time moving Benteke on in the summer, mate.

3.) 09 Jan 2016 16:28:58
Exactly Davey - either i should re-write it or you should re-read it. As i said, i do not want big changes. I never said they would all leave, i said some may leave.

I should ad that if anybody leave i hope we will look from within first before recruiting anybody. We have good young players!

As a football fan i am curious wich players are out there who could possibly improve our squad - but isn't already very expensive and very well-known.

4.) 09 Jan 2016 19:21:42
redohio - Looks like i haven't worded this post well enough, since both repliers have clearly misunderstood my intention :-D Maybe it comes with me not being a native speaker? What i tried and possibly failed to say is that i am sure the club are willing to let Benteke go. I am well aware it won't necessarily happen. I do hope he change that between now and the summer - but somehow i doubt it.

We are so many people following this forum, from all over the world, watching lots and lots of football between us - most likely from lots of different leagues. So i am curious if anybody have seen someone stick out, some under the radar talent who you (or i atleast) could/ would class as a "typical klopp buy".

I am not saying that we should then go out and replace the whole squad and i am not even that interested in the possibility of us bringing those players in. I am just curious and want to broaden my horizon and learn a bit about some new and not-so-well-known players with real talent. I am sure they are out there - but haven't had the time to follow anything other than liverpool for the last few seasons.

5.) 10 Jan 2016 00:47:16
Breaks my heart. Nah it doesn't you can sell them for me.



06 Apr 2015 03:36:56
I saw Red BBQ posted a list with players he thought we could have bought in over the summer instead of those we did.

It made me thinking. What if we hadn't bought in anybody at all and his list looked like this

Lallana would be Jordan Ibe
Balotelli would be Jerome Sinclair
Markovic would be Sheyi Ojo
Can would be Jordan Rossiter or Jordan Williams
Lovren would be Andre Wisdom or Thiago Ilori
Moreno would be Brad Smith
Manquillo would be Conor Randall or Ryan McLaughlin

What if the list had looked like this?

It would certainly have saved us some money to a proper striker and proper keeper wich in reality was all we needed and neither where bought.

The amazing and terrible thing for me is that i don't really see that we would have done that much worse with those players. And all are in the club already.

What do people think? If we had added those players to the squad instead of buying anybody - what would have been?

I know it is a hypothetical question and things can be undone. unfortunately.

I am not slating the quality of the players bought in though, i need to make that clear! I consider Lallana, Lovren, Can, Markovic to be very good players or potentialy very good players.

Interested to hear any thoughts


1.) 06 Apr 2015 07:48:40
We needed some players, we just bought too many, and some of the younger ones wouldn't be ready. Can was the right choice, and arguably so was lovren, he just couldn't replicate his form. Ibes loan did him good, but could have stayed in the squad. If we knew we would change to a back three, maybe ilori or wisdom may have stayed but it was a backup plan. If we didn't get say balotelli markovic and maybe lallana (although I really like lallana) and got one top striker, maybe that would be enough, although you could argue then our squad, may be thin up top with the standard sturridge injuries.

2.) 06 Apr 2015 08:23:18
I honestly feel most of our signings need a proper run in the team, in the position they impressed at their previous clubs, before judging them. Manager has failed to get the best from them. What makes you think the Academy lads would be played regularly in their best positions? I don't get why some fans think Brendan should get more time to spend more money, when the same bloke gives his players less than a season to impress. Terry Mac and Ian Rush didn't hit the ground running, but Sir Bob knew how to get the best out of them and it wasn't by sending them on loan for a season then selling them.

3.) 06 Apr 2015 09:55:21
we could have had willian, mkhitriyan , remy , bony, konoplyanka salah, sanchez( yea there was london factor in his move, but i think we never quite showed the hunger to have him , i don't think we as a club were desperate enough to sign him. we didn't involve ourselves in a bidding war either) we went on to show in these transfers that liverpool won't budge on prices and won't be held on ransom by selling clubs which well i dunno was right or wrong

and then we got allen, lallana, markovic, balotelli,lambert,borini aspas,alberto,assaidi for near about 100 million pounds

now i understand these players weren't bought inplace of above players but still there's a huge gap in quality among the players we targeted and players we eventually bought and we didn't buy them for cheap either.

{Ed002's Note - You are living in a fantasy world.}

4.) 06 Apr 2015 11:23:10
Seriously akshit really? I mean why would we have signed bony if we signed remy nd why had we got salah and kono if we already had Willian. And no hunger to sign Sanchez what the fsg does that even mean? You my friend are one confused lad

5.) 06 Apr 2015 11:40:56
Honestly, I think Wisdom, Suso and Ibe should've been used in the first team, and Manquillio and one out of Markovic and Lallana not signed and that money spent elsewhere.

Now I should say that I think Markovic & Lallana (along with Moreno & Can) will ultimately be good players for us. But we could've gotten by without them, and there certainly wasn't a genuine need for us to have both of them.

6.) 06 Apr 2015 12:28:48
@reet - BACKUP , squad B and plan B, all top teams have it.

as long as we keep on signing one player for every position and not have an equivalent good backup (either youth or purchased) we won't be going any far than 5th place.

and ed didn't post the apology i offered for the senseless post , as for the original i pressed reply accidentally without typing the whole point i was trying to bring accross .

by same logic why would city sign bony when they already have aguero dzeko and jovetic?

{Ed002's Note - I didn't see it.}

7.) 06 Apr 2015 19:52:05
yes i know Ed002, sry that post of mine didn't make much sense, but we could have targeted very different players

{Ed002's Note - Thanks but don't worry.}



30 Jan 2015 11:59:26
08/09: Degen, Dossena, Cavalieri, N'Gog, Keane, Riera
09/10: Johnson, Aquilani, Kyrgiakos, Rodriguez, Sterling
10/11: Shelvey, Jovanovic, Cole, Wilson, Poulsen, Jones, Meireles, Konchesky, Suso, Suarez, Carroll
11/12: Henderson, Adam, Doni, Downing, Enrique, Coates, Bellamy, Ibe
12/13: Borini, Allen, Assaidi, Sahin, Yesil, Sturridge, Coutinho, Teixeira
13/14: Alberto, Aspas, Mignolet, Toure, Cissokho, Sakho, Ilori, Moses
14/15: Lambert, Lallana, Can, Markovic, Lovren, Origi, Manquillo, Moreno, Balotelli

I just looked through all the players Liverpool have bought since the summer 2008. (See list above) It is a crazy amount of money spend there. To be honest it makes me sick. Absolutely sick. What could have been with some proper recruitment? We are not behind the others because we spend less, but because we do not spend what we got wisely. Looking through all those names - how many do you guys consider a succes? A good transfer? In hindsight i know - but still. The hit rate is terrible. How many have contributed to the team? I do not want to judge this years recruitments just yet - but from 2008 - 2013 i would say only Maxi Rodriguez, Sterling, Shelvey, Brad Jones, Meireles, Suso, Suarez, Henderson, Bellamy, Ibe, Allen, Sturridge, Coutinho, Teixeira and maybe Sakho where good transfers (maybe i unfairly left out someone). That is 15 out of 46. Simply just embarrasing. There is always transfers that won't go to plan for whatever reason. I understand and accept that. Most Liverpool fans i know complains that we can't compete because we lack the money. Saying we should spend more. I don't think that is necessary. We just have to spend better.


1.) 30 Jan 2015 12:39:41
at least 35 of these players flopped. shocking. :(

2.) 30 Jan 2015 15:25:22
You are forgetting things like:

a) We sold players and recouped much of that money almost every year.
b) Many players do not want to join Liverpool and prefer other destinations, probably because of CL football or lifestyle. I will dare to say Liverpool does not have the name anymore of the old. For example if a player had a choice between Liverpool and Utd he would have chosen the latter in a snap.
c) The last few years we were purchasing mostly potentials because we wanted to spend less and gain from their growth.

Poor management in my opinion, not only from the coach but from the owners down to the comittee in most occassions. Last year(summer) we only needed 2 world class players instead we bought all the above mediocre players and for that's down to the bad policy of the owners.

Had they push for Costa and Willian we would have been the champions by a mile. And for that kind of things I don't blame the coach/manager but the owners who put some "rules" when buying a player instead of seeing the whole picture.

3.) Recouped much of that money is a stretch. Suarez aside, we only made money on a few, like Shelvey and N'gog. Most were sold for peanuts or released or paid to leave.

4.) 30 Jan 2015 16:57:23
That's why we must rethink our transfer policy (Quantity or quality?) and specially our youth policy: It's 100 times better to have one Dani Pacheco, Robinson, Spearing, etc that fails than to bring Degens, Koscienlys, Poulsens, etc. Far cheaper, profitable and long term intelligent

5.) After what Costa did the other day you'd still have him, Pirate? He's by far my least favorite player; Suarez was and is an angel on the pitch compared to that guy. Every game I've ever seen him play in, he does something dirty to an opposing player.

6.) It's even worse in my book.
08-09 none.
09-10 Johnson, sterling.
10-11 Suarez. der
11-12 Hendo.
12-13 Studge, Cout.
13-14 Sakho, though with BR who knows?
14-15 too early.

7.) You are missing my point pirate. It isn't about how much money we got selling players - it is how we went about spending whatever money there where to be spend. My point is it could have been spend better. Every summer we bought players who had absolutely no positive impact on the team. You may argue that our pull isn't that strong, that we can't get the world beaters and have to go buying someone who may or may not come good. That is not excuse for speinding money on a Poulsen, Degen, Jovanovic or Konchesky though. that's just filling up space blocking for a young player from the academy. And don't say there wasn't quality in the marked and we got the best we could get. Take this summer for example. We went for Balotelli instead of Bony who's a lot better in almost every aspect. Same goes for all the other transfer windows, where a lot of players where bought in at high costs. There where quality in the market and players i am sure would have wanted to come to Liverpool.

8.) 31 Jan 2015 09:42:06
Despite the transfer policy being awful I'd argue it has improved! But it's still awful.

9.) 31 Jan 2015 12:11:53
Read the comment carefully lavije and you will see the way you see things are totally wrong. We don't have the luxury of buying whoever we want just like Chelsea. You brought Poulsen as an example, who was picked by a wrong manager for Liverpool.

10.) 31 Jan 2015 21:20:12
Americo are you choosing players based on their character or because of their football skills? Because people were moaning about Suarez yet anyone would have him back in a snap.

Costa is by far the best striker in the EPL this year, whether you like him or not and yes I would have him in a snap.




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11 Jan 2018 20:08:36
Durmisi is not good enough to play for Liverpool. I am danish and i've watched him quite a lot, for Betis and the national team, where he lost his place to Jens Stryger Larsen, who is nothing but alright.




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27 May 2017 22:28:16
Love it - thank you ed001! Don't ever change.


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}



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27 May 2017 22:28:16
Love it - thank you ed001! Don't ever change.




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27 May 2017 12:08:53
You made me curious there Ed. Do you mind elaborating a bit? Why do you recon he is that good?


{Ed001's Note - because he is up there with Marcelo Bielsa as a great coach who has influenced many others. This is a good place to start reading about him: Juanma Lillo article

Well it will be if I have put the link in correctly!}



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04 Dec 2016 09:37:06
JCW_XS I really think he, like anybody else, should get a job based on their abilities to do the job. You wouldn't hire someone to drive the school bus if he didn't have a driving license, arguing that he had to show what he was made of rahter than others teaching him their ways. I see no difference.





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15 Aug 2017 20:48:28
Semi by the sea, maybe we are the ones who ought to change team? If only we could. But what's going on above in this thread is pretty typical and nothing short of embarrasing. A minority of spoiled bull horns i hope.




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15 Aug 2017 19:34:49
Come on dudes. We are barely two games into the season and i see people calling Robertson a waste of money already - telling me that he wasn't Klopps choice etc. etc.

What is wrong what some of you?




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18 Jun 2017 20:48:19
Because we failed to win the title Amerigo - primarily because we wasn't good enough defensively.




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18 Jun 2017 17:58:55
The beauty is that we finally got a lot of players able to get into double figures instead of relying on one or two players to get our goals as we used to do. We certainly have no need to get that ONE goalscorer. If Sturridge is fit he'll get plenty and if not, we got Firmino and he'll get enough with Mane, Coutinho, Origi, Wiji, Lallana and possible Salah getting their fair share of goals too. I am pretty confident we will see Firmino scoring on a more regular basis next year - unless he looses his place to Sturridge. I would argue that we would have to fit him in no matter what though as he is such a nice player for us.

What we need is clearly to improve our defense. How anybody can argue against that is beyond me.




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18 Jun 2017 17:52:33
Hansens Scar,
Please elaborate on why Ben Gibson wouldn't improve our starting lineup?