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18 Jul 2017 22:35:36
Hi Eds

Sorry to bother you with this how much do you reckon we have transfer funds wise after the Robertson (fingers crossed) transfer is announced? As I'm seeing a lot of links with crazy amounts of money and although it's summer transfer window n everyone's linked with everyone but I was just wondering.

Thanks in advance 👍🏼.

{Ed002's Note - I would ignore everything to do with money as it confuses. It is not a case of spending £65.21M on Keita and £71.6M on van Dijk as have already been agreed as "done deals", it is a question of when payment is due to be paid.}

1.) 18 Jul 2017 23:30:49
Very precise figures ed002? 🤔🤔🤔.

{Ed002's Note - Damn, sorry. £60M and £70M.}

2.) 18 Jul 2017 23:42:50
We sorry if I have misunderstood, have those fees been agreed, just not when to pay them?

{Ed002's Note - Sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned it.}

3.) 18 Jul 2017 23:54:50
Would the transfer fee have to be fully paid in 3 years if the players contract was for 3 years?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

4.) 18 Jul 2017 23:57:00
Who put that cat there? And why are all these pidgeons going crazy? 😂.

5.) 19 Jul 2017 00:13:38
Thats more like it! 😂😂😂.

6.) 19 Jul 2017 06:23:02
We missed out on Kovacic for the same reason!

7.) 19 Jul 2017 09:21:30
Ed, I may have misworded the question - I am not worried about the figures!
Was it tongue in cheek, or have sums been agreed for the players?

8.) 19 Jul 2017 09:31:10
Harry, you should just come up with one new username that lists all of your previous ones. That way it keeps us all informed of your obsessions year on year 😉.

9.) 19 Jul 2017 09:37:38
Tongue in cheek Fencey.

10.) 19 Jul 2017 08:17:33
Wow Ed002! there goes my imagination.

11.) 19 Jul 2017 08:59:22
Ed you diamond. What a blow to our rivals to see liverpool land two MASSIVE big money signings. Well done klopp. We have z really good manager guys. He knows this is liverpool chance to get back up there. A force in European football. Let knock those F*#*#g mancs of their perch.

12.) 19 Jul 2017 11:44:23
Oh dear fencey.

13.) 19 Jul 2017 14:01:18
So there working on the structure of the payments?

Wowza. Can't see that much being spent without Brazilian money coming in.

14.) 19 Jul 2017 14:03:11
The majority of transfer fees between European clubs are paid over a two year period these days. From the buying club's standpoint, even if paid over two years, it's accounted for over the length of a players contract as a deferred cost. They may pay out £40m for example, but if the player is on a four year contract, the fee, salary, bonuses, singing fee etc is 'amortized' (spread) over those years for accounting reasons.

This is why net spend is useless.

That said, when players are sold, this is accounted for immediately, and any profit or loss on the player fee, as well as savings on the due salary bonuses etc are accounted for that year.

The money clubs save, can then be reinvested, including any increases on player salaries etc. The only impact player purchases have immediately, is on cash flow and the accounts for that trading year, and subsequent years for player costs spread over the lifetime of a contract.

Liverpool, for instance, could spend £250m on players this summer, but they'd also end up paying at least twice that in salaries/ bonuses etc in additional costs over the next 4-5 years. Hence the need to sell as well as buy. As a club, Liverpool can only afford that kind of outlay with success - which is why it's imperative that we secure a win from the CL playoff, and arrive consistently in the CL each season - it's the only way for the club to compete, despite strong commercial partnerships.

Sorry for the long post.

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24 Feb 2018 19:12:37
I got it tight on this page in the summer when i said Robertson was a steal at 8 million and has the potential to be brilliant, id like to see someone disagree now he is outstanding.

1.) 24 Feb 2018 19:17:18
I’ve always been behind him too. 👍.

2.) 24 Feb 2018 19:17:59
Steven Finnanesque. And that is as big a compliment you can pay.

3.) 24 Feb 2018 19:24:01
Was interesting to see both him and Moreno on the pitch at the same time.

Was thinking that perhaps Moreno could do an alright job as a LM. Someone else on that side with a left foot.

Robertson isn't always great but I do appreciate his work rate. Final ball can also be inconsistent but he does seem to be improving on the whole as the season progresses. Not sure whether it was him or VVD in the wrong place for Antonio's goal, perhaps VVD.

Long winded way of agreeing that Robertson is doing alright yep!

4.) 24 Feb 2018 19:45:23
I was underwhelmed when heard we were signing Robertson. Not disappointed but it didn't take the breath away. I have been firmly behind him as I am with all lfc players who try 100%. I think we fans have short memories, lb has been a problem for us for years, moreno started this season quite well and I was firmly behind him but after 5/ 6 games he was making rash tackles and getting caught too far forward. Now, we finally have a proper left back, the kid is tenacious and leaves it all on the pitch, he is getting better with each game, I prefer him to Danny Rose as Rose is too small for a defender Imo. Therefore I would say Robertson is the best British left back there is. 8 mil! He is already a 20mil player and will be more like 30mil by next season. (not including Gareth bale of course, not really lb anymore)

5.) 24 Feb 2018 20:47:22
Lol I wouldn't go as far to say he is 'outstanding' he's proved to be a good buy so far for us there's no doubt about that but saying he's outstanding is going a little too far.

6.) 24 Feb 2018 21:13:56
Robbo is far from outstanding by any stretch. He was still caught out a few times and for some reason, makes inside runs when on the overlap instead of outside runs hence, clogging up the space that either of the front 3 should be attacking. That needs to change. Now having said that, Is he improving? Yes. Does he still a few more gears to go esp. with tactical and positional awareness, game intelligence and final delivery? Yes. But "outstanding" definitely does not describe him yet, IMO.

{Ed025's Note - i think for a work in progress he is doing very well indeed brover..

7.) 24 Feb 2018 21:51:50
Agreed 100% ed025.

8.) 24 Feb 2018 23:27:09
He was outstanding today. Motm, some brilliant crosses and always an out ball. Never stops and doesn't risk too much at the back. Antonio scored from his flank but to be fair Can was kinda caught in the middle or was strongly dispossessed, milner slipped at the same time. We were in possession and we all know how attacking we are.

9.) 25 Feb 2018 00:19:45
He seems to follow exactly what Klopp says, He covers some ground too, I wonder what his stats are for distance run in each game?
He must be up there with the best.

10.) 25 Feb 2018 01:31:01
Both fullbacks young and doing very well I must say!

11.) 24 Feb 2018 21:46:41
I would imagine he would have done a great job for you ed025 compared to Martina! I feel bad for Everton every time i see his name in the line up.

{Ed025's Note - i have to say that hes not the worst player in our team by a long chalk nostradmus, hes a right back playing on the left and has been an easy target for the boo boys mate..

12.) 25 Feb 2018 14:15:52
He is decent and better than Moreno.
Has room to improve a lot.
Need to see ED’s review to see what they think.

13.) 25 Feb 2018 14:18:54
Moreno is only good as a 5 min brother on the left wing. Ye robbo done well eh. Good on the lad.

14.) 25 Feb 2018 14:27:14
I'd look at VVD before looking at Robertson for Antonio's goal. VVD was miles away when Antonio got the ball; probably on one of his walkabouts that a lot of us have been dreading. But I shouldn't exaggerate, VVD has made a huge, positive impact on our defense.

15.) 25 Feb 2018 16:40:34
That goal was primarily down to Can losing possession in the middle of the park.
No need for it and that’s why our defence was caught out.

{Ed001's Note - correct but Robbo stood and watched as Can went down in stages instead of dropping back into position as a defender should. That is something he needs to learn from as he had a really good game other than that yesterday.}

25 Aug 2017 07:39:41
A few months back I put a post on here when everyone was ripping Andrew Robertson saying he was a waste of money etc I wrote that he would be a great signing and got some stick, as I previously said Iv seen him go from Scottish 3rd division then straight to Scottish SPL then to hull, im from Scotland and the leagues are crap but he was a standout player throughout his time here. Moreno needs to go and Robertson first choice left back and if we need cover for left back just use Milner he was reliable enough last season, i know he's only had one game but he's played in crap teams till now I think he's going to prove a lot of you wrong, some cross on him aswell no one else think so 😝.

1.) 25 Aug 2017 07:57:16
I said similar mate. As far back as January I recommended him as a great left back. Only left back who was available this summer who i would've preferred was Sead Kolasinac.

Some players just seem to get judged on who they play for and not how they play. To be fair to his detractors, last season was a tough one for Robertson, but you could still see he was the most gifted player in Hulls team. Surrounded by better players, and with attacks with more desire to get on the end of his great crosses, he was always going to take it up a level in my opinion.

2.) 25 Aug 2017 07:57:18
Why the bashing on Moreno? I am sorry but Alberto Moreno was simply sensational at Sevilla before moving to
Liverpool. One of the noted offensive full back!
Andrew Robertson is not defensively very sound either! I have seen a few players beating him easily! That entire backline of Liverpool can't defend! Moreno is not the only culprit there! And for Milner he offers nothing upfront! Absolutely NOTHING! I would play myself over Milner!

{Ed025's Note - but would you take the pay cut harry..

3.) 25 Aug 2017 08:03:33
That's only real question infront of me Ed025! I would have you over Milner! 😄. Which offensive full back is a great defender! I am curious to know from some elite clas of knowledgeable fans here! 😄😄. Most of the teams have reverted to back 3 or play 1 or 2 CDM to cover this hole.

4.) 25 Aug 2017 08:08:24
I'm worried about his defensive side against teams that will attack more than Crystal Palace.

I still believe we could have and should have bought better for a big problem position.

He had a great debut though and I absolutely hope he turns out to be the solution there. Seems like a nice lad too.

Moreno is too costly I agree. The attempt to nick a ball in the second half against hoffenheim when there was absolutely no chance of getting it. And I mean none. A ten year old would have stood him up. He turned a perfectly safe moment into dangerous attack for them. He will never get the defensive side of the game unfortunately. Not even a little.

5.) 25 Aug 2017 08:12:35
Moreno is not as good offensively as you think - yes he gets forward well but his final delivery is poor. When was the last decent cross of his someone scored off? His last goal? Robertson had at least two crosses vs CP that should have been converted and few more that looked very dangerous.

And in defence Moreno doesn't cover his man adequately, makes rash challenges/ dives (Uth goal for instance) and is weak in the air. Robertson every time for me.

6.) 25 Aug 2017 08:13:14
Give yourselves a pat on the back guys.

7.) 25 Aug 2017 08:21:09
I liked lucas digne from Barcelona he ain't getting much game time, he good in the air an is a well balanced left back, but I like Robertson also he gives great balance b good when solanke playin as his delivery great, I honestly think moreno could cover anywhere on left side but strangely in left back position he getting caught out he was originally a winger maybe he better further up pitch as cover.

8.) 25 Aug 2017 09:08:40
Moreno has pace and can unleash a good shot, that's about it. His crossing end product is not great and constantly gets caught out of position.

It's a real shame, I think Ed1 mentioned, he's great around the dressing room and works hard.

From what I saw last week, Robertson's crossing was pretty good, time will tell how he works out defensively.

9.) 25 Aug 2017 08:55:52
I expect Robbo to be the starter with time, He is just settling in, at the moment.

10.) 25 Aug 2017 10:12:24
'Simply sensational' Harry?

11.) 25 Aug 2017 10:57:42
I happen to agree with can't defend. I enjoy watching moreno fly down the line. If that happens the our defensive midfielder should cover that area but no one says anything about who should cover that area. Or is he untouchable because he always seem to be out of position that happens. Hence Blaming the wing back.

12.) 25 Aug 2017 11:15:16
"He's great around the dressing room" is just too wide open for a mucky comment.

13.) 25 Aug 2017 12:39:59
Hector was my choice. Good going forward and reasonably solid defensively. I ve said this before that I'd take reasonably solid for a full back these days. None a great defenders as far as I can see but it is difficult as wings get overloaded with opposition fullbacks. No excuse for some of the stuff moreno does. Pure amatuer hour.

14.) 27 Aug 2017 15:17:42
WeCantDefend. Sensational? He Suited Spanish football but he's nowhere near sensational he can't cross he's
Out of position all the time leaves the left back position open constantly, and Milner offers nothing and you'd play yourself over him? Give me peace lol Milner been one of the most consistent wingers in the premier league for years he can deliver a good ball with both feet your just saying that cos he's lost a bit pace, which isn't what it's all about I'm
Afraid to say.

02 Jul 2017 20:46:53
If we do end up with Robertson I'm actually glad because he will prove a lot of you on this wrong, half the people slating him think they could do a better position themselves, if he does sign watch klopp turn him into one of the best attacking full backs in the league!

1.) 02 Jul 2017 21:16:10
Gibbs or Robertson? Robertson wins hands down.

2.) 02 Jul 2017 21:20:50
He's certainly got more potential than Gibbs.

3.) 02 Jul 2017 23:01:40
zaha torn him to pieces in 45 mins so much so he was subbed.

4.) 02 Jul 2017 23:07:55
Little bit fed up with us signing " potential " we've not had a decent lb for donkeys now. Would love to see us sign an experienced, established lb. Are there any?

5.) 03 Jul 2017 00:02:55
I wish we'd just have used a bit of sense and gone all out for Kolasinac, Bertrand or Hector. Instead we will either sign a failed European winger like Mendy/ Gaya, or an above average player with potential to be good such as Tierney, Sessegnon or Robertson. Pretty obvious which only one of those 3 is still on the cards.

6.) 03 Jul 2017 02:23:40
I quite like this lad Robertson. At least he can defend.

{Ed001's Note - do you really think so? I am not convinced he can at all.}

7.) 03 Jul 2017 05:15:27
Not my first preference, but I definitely think he can defend better than Moreno.

{Ed001's Note - that's really not a high bar to aim at. Moreno has never learnt the basics of defending at all.}

8.) 03 Jul 2017 06:33:49
Irony is Moreno has more suitors than Sakho, Lucas, Stewart, and every fringe player at the club!
His pace will be brutal in Italy. He is very young and I could see him blocking a proper left back at Napoli!

{Ed001's Note - how is that irony?}

9.) 03 Jul 2017 07:19:37
Coz we all throught none would even touch Moreno! And it would be another Jose Enrique version 2.0.

{Ed001's Note - you may have thought that, but I did make everyone aware there was interest, it was purely the price that was an issue. Moreno has a great attitude, workrate and is very well liked by coaches that have worked with him. There will always be teams that have interest in a player like that, even if they lack quality.}

10.) 03 Jul 2017 08:46:20
Robertson is just not a very good defender and i can't believe in the whole footballing fraternity that we can't find and sign a half decent left back. I don't know how old robertson is but surely he should not need much coaching at this stage to be first choice at lfc. But ed25 pointed out the other day not all the players in your team has to be the next big thing and just solid dependability is enough. So maybe klopp thinks robertson is enough!

11.) 03 Jul 2017 11:01:25
Using Moreno as a comparison for the LB position is as poor a comparison as using Migs to compare as a standard for GK's. hence, the bafris low to non-existent.

No one ever said that Moreno lacked interest from other clubs as Sevilla and Napoli both want him, as Ed01 had mentioned. He is a very good lad off the pitch and his coaches may like his attitude but he is just not intelligent enough to play football or get better at the things he lacks in his game. That is just the reality.

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08 Jun 2017 15:27:35
I'm pretty sure everyone but you has accepted Van Dijk isn't happening, also don't see what shaw and chambers going to Arsenal has to do with us.

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01 Jun 2017 00:59:21
Andrew Robertson is a brilliant attacking full back and would fit perfectly with the way Klopp plays, he done the same with Schmelzer at Dortmund not a world class left back but reliable, also im from scotland and have seen Robertson work his way from the Scottish 3rd division to move to SPL after 1 season then after 1 at Dundee Utd he was away to Hull. I understand the Scottish leagues are all poor but h was miles apart from everyone in the league in that position, all I'm saying is Klopp might actually show him how to defend properly and he could end up being an absolute steal :)

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27 Aug 2017 15:17:42
WeCantDefend. Sensational? He Suited Spanish football but he's nowhere near sensational he can't cross he's
Out of position all the time leaves the left back position open constantly, and Milner offers nothing and you'd play yourself over him? Give me peace lol Milner been one of the most consistent wingers in the premier league for years he can deliver a good ball with both feet your just saying that cos he's lost a bit pace, which isn't what it's all about I'm
Afraid to say.