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07 Nov 2017 02:58:56
Ed001,

If you’re really thinking of writing about some “villains” may I suggest a few names and ask for your opinion on them please?

First up is the despicable, cheating, diving Ashley Young.

I struggle to recall a player who so frequently gets booked for simulation!

Next has to be Graeme “Tiny Tears” Le Saux. A true gob-sh*te who always seemed to get away with things because he could articulate himself well to posh-nob referees like David “Penalty King” Elleray.

And who could forget Dennis Wise? One nasty little thug who, for some inexplicable reason, had a cheeky-chappy persona in the media and was loved by Keys and Gray.

Thanks in advance.

Jim Bonda

{Ed001's Note - well Young is a diver, a genuine diver who only needs to be breathed on to be on the floor writhing in agony after 6 rolls. Shame because he works hard and is a real trier. You have to give him credit for the fact that such a skinny little weakling, who can be brushed past and it sends him flying, can manage to cope with the physical side of being a full back. Does make the diving seem even more cringeworthy.

Le Saux and Wise are very similar cowardly type players who only did the nasty things behind people's backs. They would always bottle it when it came to facing up. They both got away with things because they would be friendly with officials. Wise was worse by a long way, Le Saux was too busy whining to officials to have time to do as many little niggly things. I couldn't stand either as players, which is a shame as they both had a lot of quality and would have been much better if they had just got on with the game.}


1.) 07 Nov 2017 07:52:21
How about Kevin Davies as an obscure suggestion? A striker who holds the record for the most yellow cards! It's like his elbows just had to smash people in the face!

{Ed001's Note - he has to be in there just because he always seemed to score against us!}


2.) 07 Nov 2017 08:10:56
From what I have read Andoni Goikoetxea is a villain! though I must admit I know very little about him.


3.) 07 Nov 2017 08:06:00
Don't get me wrong, I've read he's actually not a bad guy away from the pitch. On it though, he committed more fouls than any other player in the history of the Premier League, and is tied for most amount of yellow cards with Paul Scholes. Or at least he was last time i checked a few years back.

Guy was just a thug as a player! And the fact he always scored against LFC doesn't help either!

A few more obvious suggestions though; Adam Johnson (no explanation needed), Marlon King (no explanation needed), Lee Bowyer and Kieron Dyer as a duet (fighting on the pitch), Carlos Tevez (refusing to play everywhere he goes), Pepe (just violent), John Terry (cheat in every sense of the word), Javier Mascherano (another who is just violent), Ashley Cole (love cheat, and traitor as per Arsenal fans) etc. All for various reasons of course. Some much worse than others.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, good list, though Bowyer's fight on the pitch is the least of his indiscretions. He is a vile man.}


4.) 07 Nov 2017 08:29:33
I remember Paulo Di Canio being a bit of a thug.
But how about David Beckham? Remember kids were hanging effergies of him from lamposts in 1998.
Or how about that player who flicked the other players ear? Pure evil that was. Haha.


5.) 07 Nov 2017 08:53:26
Patrice Evra would be a good shout!

{Ed001's Note - especially amongst Marseille fans...}


6.) 07 Nov 2017 09:08:34
Think Cantona may make the list.


7.) 07 Nov 2017 10:16:58
Ed. Would you account Robbie Savage as a thug if the game. I hated him as a footballer and can’t make a judgement on his football punditry as I have never watched him.
Certainly Vinnie Jones has to make the list?

{Ed001's Note - Savage was as bad at playing as he is a pundit. Amazing he had a professional career at all really.

I love Vinnie Jones, but he has to go in, even if he was just doing as he was told to be fair to him.}


8.) 07 Nov 2017 10:55:46
The guy that Zidane headbutted, Mataratzi? he was one dirty player and crazy off it too.


9.) 07 Nov 2017 10:34:46
Ben Thatcher - Absolute thug who should have been kicked out of football for some of his challenges, especially that one with his elbow on Pedro Mendes.
Danny Mills - Some horrific challenges over the years.
Paul Scholes - Sly little $#it who got away with numerous red cards solely due to who he played for.
Alan Shearer - Absolutely lethal with his elbows and was notorious for kicking or bringing his studs down someone's achilles/ ankle.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}


10.) 07 Nov 2017 11:02:09
Two words Eds 01, Leeds Utd.

There must be a book to write about their team in the early 70's.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure there are a few already out there but good point, getting called dirty in that era takes some doing!}


11.) 07 Nov 2017 12:04:37
Add Fellaini to that list, countless times got away with nasty elbows and bad tackles . Paolo montero the Uruguain was a nasty piece of work. Great defender though!


12.) 07 Nov 2017 22:28:34
Reading today about Pirlo and brought me back to Genarro Gattusso, I always liked him as a player although I know he had a bad reputation and didn't see too much of him! Anyone know more about his playing days. like was he a talented footballer as Well as a hard fecker?


 

 

22 Oct 2017 00:19:50
Morning all, long-time reader / first-time poster.

Question for Ed1 if you’re about please sir. What’s your opinion on Shinji Okazaki?

The more I see of him, the more he impresses me with his work rate, movement, technique and vision. Do you think he’d be a good addition to our squad?

Thanks,

Jim Bonda

{Ed001's Note - excellent player, but not sure he would be that good for us. He does not score enough.}


1.) 22 Oct 2017 04:04:40
Yeah good player. I wouldn't be gutted if we signed him.


2.) 22 Oct 2017 06:39:32
For what? To run around a lot? Another Henderson type! Great energy and nothing more!


3.) 22 Oct 2017 10:13:24
Seriously Harry, you found a way to drag Henderson into a conversation about Okazaki as well? Is it obsession or just pure hatred for our captain, i just don't know anymore.


 

 

 

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23 Jan 2018 21:10:30
@Davey Sulls.

Quality mate, quality!

Take a bow son!

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27 Oct 2017 23:52:59
JK made reference to him complaining of a back injury in the week, the same week in which the rumours of Couthinho and Klopp’s relationship deteriorating further.

Coincidence?

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29 Jan 2018 09:51:37
I think a change of GK coaching is long overdue!

As you say, Ron, the “glaring weaknesses” of Karius and certainly Mignolet have, IMO, not been improved, if they’ve even been addressed?

If a coach’s job is to improve and develop players, why is Mignolet still such a poor premier league keeper after 4 years of working with Achterberg?

Yes, I fully accept and agree that Mignolet is not the standard we require if we want to challenge for the top 4 and above consistently, but seeing as he’s still making the same errors after 4 years, the question of can the GK coaching be improved should surely be asked?

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29 Jan 2018 09:31:57
MK,

I totally agree with 99% of your post, especially the 4 players you mentioned who, IMO, were the definition of being a passenger!

The 4 of them in the same team is a recipe for total disaster!

However I’d like the “inverted” wingers to switch flanks throughout the game, rather than just stay wide. This, IMO, never allows the opponent’s FBs to settle and gives them a different type of problem throughout the game. As long as, in this instance, Mane and Salah don’t neglect what is expected of them defensively, I think it gives the opposition a constant headache as eventually they’ll mentally and physically tire of wondering if Mane’s going to cut inside or if Mo’s then going to turn the afterburners on and go down the line.

As long as whoever’s on the other flank uses their head and gets into the box so there’s more than just Firmino to aim for, in my experience as a former youth coach (5 league titles across 3 leagues and six players who joined pro clubs, just thought I’d drop that in there 😉😂) it can work well.

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18 Dec 2017 21:13:43
Dilakh2

You’ve answered with a stat that he has 3 assists in the CL, then contradicted yourself by saying “stats ain’t the way to show someone is having an effect on the game”!

Having an attacking effect in games we win 7-nil also isn’t the way to judge a player, unless we’re beating a good quality side.

I’m judging him on his overall performances over a period of 3 1/ 2 seasons. I’m not denying he’s produced improved performances this season which, compared to some from previous seasons, isn’t that hard!

But I’m looking for someone to correct me and my opinion, which of the other “big 6” squads (let alone teams) does he get in to? And, given the choice, would anyone select Moron-o ahead of Bertrand or Baines?

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18 Dec 2017 19:37:01
I keep reading about how Moron-o offers so much going forward. Can anyone tell me when his last assist or goal was?

When was the last time he produced a key pass?
Some talk about him like he’s a Cafu / Roberto Carlos type. Hell, even a less “sexy name” like Denis Irwin was far, far better going forward!

He’s quick, yes. What else does he offer?
And that reverse tackle with his left foot from the right side justifies my nickname for him. How many fouls has he conceded making that challenge? Carol Vorderman would struggle with the maths on that!

I’m not saying Robertson is the answer, as he needs a lot more games to be judged, but Moron-o has had 3 seasons to prove he’s not what is required if we wish to challenge for the top 4 on a regular basis, let alone the title.

As Ed25 said (in relation to players getting into a rival’s team) which of the other “big six” teams does he get in to?

Would he replace Baines or Bertrand either? If the answer’s no, then we have a mid-table (at best) left back!

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01 Dec 2017 22:25:42
Very few players, for Liverpool, have excited me as much as Robbie.

Between 93-98 he was simply out of this world! He could score any type of goal, left foot, right, header, pens, free kicks, tap-ins, long range screamers. he had the lot!

His most memorable goal?

The screamer he scored against Villa at Anfield!
Just watch the flick that completely bewilders Stan Staunton, then watch Mark Bosnich! He sees the shot all the and gets nowhere near it!

He would, without doubt IMO, be a £100m+ player in today’s market.

Jim Bonda