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11 Sep 2013 18:52:07
Eds do u think morgan schneiderlin would make brilliant cover for lucas? And being that he is only 23 would be a great player in a few seasons?

Wud southampton be willing to sell to anyone? {Ed001's Note - yes, but no they would not be looking to sell.}


1.) Was there anything genuine in the Biteco link, the young lad playing in the Brazilian League? Looked a very good prospect from what i've seen of him in highlights on the net. {Ed002's Note - One for the search engine.}

2.) Not a chance of us letting him go at the moment. You will also need a shed load if you make an offer. He is very good and I would put money on the fact that he will at some point go to a big club possibly Spain/ Germany.

Just check out his game stats

Love the way that you have to register to leave a message for a 'big club' on the site.




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08 Mar 2018 10:18:14
Was just listening to the debate from last night. Have to say Ryan mason speaks very well! Seems like an intelligent chap, knew his facts and stuff and different teams and previous games, asked some interesting questions himself and gave some good answers to Geoff's ones! Hope the lad gets a career soon in either punditry or coaching preferable because he seems real tuned in and likeable! Shame he had to stop playing so early!


1.) 08 Mar 2018 16:44:56
He seems like a nice lad but I don't think his voice has enough resonance for a career in punditry or commentary. He should get his badges and learn the coaching role at spurs, get on the path of a manager.



07 Mar 2018 10:14:30
I see this happen so much over the years, once the manager doesn’t fancy a player or drops them or there’s rumors he wants to replace them, suddenly all the supports start saying ah yeh he’s no good was never good enough, sell him and get someone else in. The best example I can give is when I think it was Brendan Rodgers dedcided against skrtle for a bit of a run and all of a sudden he was slatted by everyone, then once he got back into the team and actually had a good season offensively and defensively everyone forgets that a while ago they were calling for his head just because the manager didn’t like him for a while.

Managers have preferences in players, for a number of reasons all to do with personality and talent but that doesn’t mean the ones they want to replace are bad players! I’m not saying I think Clyne is the greatest player ever but some people I see saying he is and has never been good enough for Liverpool, they are only saying that cos there is speculation that regardless of his injury Klopp isn’t convinced by him.
I have to say before this came out and when he started nearly every game for Liverpool in klopps first season I didn’t see many people calling him out so much and certainly don’t think it was the top priority position to strenghten.


1.) 07 Mar 2018 11:43:20
In a team where a manager plays a right back and primarily wants him to defend then cylne is ok but Klopp likes his fullbacks to attack and sadly clyne is nowhere good enough to be an attacking fullback for Liverpool he is miles behind trent attacking wise and not as good defensively as Gomez.
Can I also add that both of these players long term will not even end up as right backs.
So when I add all these things up I hope he leaves Liverpool and goes to a team where his strengths will see him fit in and do well.

2.) 07 Mar 2018 12:01:37
Well I've always called him out ever since he signed. In fact, I even warned everyone before he signed that he wasn't even as good as the cheaper option at the time, Keiron Trippier (pretty damning considering Trippier is merry above average) .

So this is nothing new for me to say at all; Clyne is bang average. He cannot defend, he cannot attack, and he has now had problems behind the scenes just to really stick the knife in. He gives away silly free kicks by pushing or tripping players running away from goal, his crosses are flat and inaccurate, his passing is erratic, his first touch is so bad that his second touch is usually a 50/ 50 duel to keep possession, he doesn't even have the ability to knock a ball past somebody and use his pace to get past them, he is always marking players on the wrong side, he doesn't read a situation and therefore relies on his pace to get back into position etc. I could carry on but you get the point.

For the sake of being fair, he is very quick, very strong, doesn't shy out of tackles and he can kick a ball very hard.

He is simply not Premier League standard though. He's a Championship player who scabbed his way to the top with hype and athleticism. Southampton replaced him with Cedric who is a better player as well.

Clyne can't leave quickly enough in my opinion. We should never have signed him, and it's been nothing but a disaster. The only right back in the Premier League who was worse than Glen Johnson, and Rodgers managed to identify him as the best option to replace him 🤦🏻.

3.) 07 Mar 2018 12:09:35
Both Skrtel and Clyne were very much disliked while they were in the team.

4.) 07 Mar 2018 12:15:40
Skrtel was dodgy and Rodgers didn’t know what he was doing. ;) not a good example.

5.) 07 Mar 2018 12:21:16
Regarding Clyne you say
'some people I see saying he is and has never been good enough for Liverpool, they are only saying that cos there is speculation that regardless of his injury Klopp isn’t convinced by him. '

This is simply not true, he's not good enough and never was, it's got nothing to do with Klopp not been convinced by him.

Clyne used to play a lot how? who really knows but so did Migs, football is a funny old game at times. Clyne from day one has never been upto the task of playing for Liverpool, he's nowhere near Liverpool quality, never was. TAA and Gomez are miles ahead of him imo.

6.) 07 Mar 2018 12:48:46
OP, your point would have had some muscle behind it had you not picked those two cast offs with which to make your point. Ed01 sounded the alarm as soon as Clyne was signed that he was not good enuff and at the start of last season, Klopp was looking to let him go and bring in a new RB. When he could not, he converted TAA, a midfielder, to a RB cos TAA is better by miles than Clyne in what he wants his RB to do esp. offensively.

As for Skrtl, Ed01 had said the same thing. That he was poor, a liability at the back, had no pace, no sense of awareness and frankly IMO, stole a living at LFC cos he would not even make the stands had he been part of our current CB set up. Again, good thought process, horrible examples.

7.) 07 Mar 2018 13:52:51
Salah. Saying Clyne has never been good enough is a no no from me. He is solid defensively and isn’t as bad as people say going forward. Yes I know his crosses aren’t the best at times but I still think he has something to offer us. If we sign a new RB that’s fine but if we don’t then I honestly see Clyne playing a bigger role than people think/ want.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but he is terrible defensively and worse going forward. I really do not understand why we bought him, he was crap at Southampton and dreadful at Palace. He has never and will never be good enough for the top flight. He is just athletic.}

8.) 07 Mar 2018 14:11:56
Solid defensively? Sorry Leon but are we talking about the same player here? that's utter tripe mate he is nowhere near solid in defence and never was.

Agreed Ed and MK in what you have both said, why we bought him is way beyond me.

9.) 07 Mar 2018 14:34:56
Ed001 I think you're confusing athletic for just fast haha. It's a shame too because he frequently found himself in promising positions and just scuffed it.

{Ed001's Note - I meant he was quite strong and could get up and down the line all game long, as well as fast.}

10.) 07 Mar 2018 15:37:58
Clyne can defend? Since when? His positional sense is woeful.

11.) 07 Mar 2018 15:46:51
Think there's a whole lot of going over the top here. No he was never world class but wasn't the worst either. Average to decent. the same as we were at. Maybe we have moved up a level since and he's been left behind. He's a full back though. There's some sort of myth going about these days that full backs attack none stop and actually score and create goals. Nearly everyone says how good gomez is. I know that might be more potential. But he's pretty poor in the final 3rd.

12.) 07 Mar 2018 16:09:32
Whilst I don't scour every corner of the internet its only here that I've seen such a dislike for Clyne and I do think Ed1's influence is key.

I think he's a decent to good full back, maybe not special but perfectly adequate.

{Ed001's Note - give it a rest, people like you ruin the site because they make such snide comments accusing others of lacking the sense to form their own opinion. Do you realise what a prick you seem when you do that? Why can you not just disagree without trying to make it all my fault?}



05 Mar 2018 18:48:35
Hi Ed’s,
Was just wondering do any of you know Klopps general feeling at Liverpool? Is he happy there? Is the job as hard or harder than he expected it to be? Is he content with money and control over transfers? Is he ultimately interested in any other jobs? Does he feel he has done well if this season ends up trophy less? General stuff like that?

How do the rest of you aswell as the Ed’s reckon he feels in himself at Liverpool and in England and how would you rate his work thus far?


{Ed002's Note - He has a warm, damp feeling, but that is likely age related.}

1.) 05 Mar 2018 18:56:12
Thankfully age hasn’t caught up with myself enough yet ed to be familiar with that feeling 😉.

{Ed002's Note - It will Jak.}

2.) 05 Mar 2018 20:25:46
It would be pure speculation but he must be pleased to see the boys playing well and more importantly showing massive improvement. Our progression has but steadily going well. At the beginning of the season a lot of people laughed wheen I said I thought we could win the ucl but now it feels although we are expecting to win it. Our poor form in Cup competitions is holding me back from getting the ucl winners tattoo just yet but the change in expectations has been pretty dramatic. When klopp stops going Mental on the side line I will start worrying.

3.) 05 Mar 2018 19:36:05
Ed02 maybe you’ll be able to offer some advice as at the young age of 42 I’ve been wondering what it’ll be like to get old and the advice I’ve been given so far is:

Never pass a toilet
Never trust a fart
Never waste a hard on

Any other advice you can add?

{Ed002's Note - Obviously I don't, and never have, been involved with any type of fart.}



16 Feb 2018 10:08:38
What do people think of a cb partnership of vvd and Klavan? I honestly think Klavan is our best ‘defender’ and to add to that if you pay attention to him he can hit some pretty decent long passes from the back to our wingers too! But certainly defensively I think he is very solid, maybe he struggles a little bit with small quick tricky players, like ageuro ( but let’s be honest who doesn’t) but hopefully vvd could help him with those! But with big strikers he dominates them on the ground and in the air! Games against Lukaku and benteke spring to mind where Klavan played and limited them to very few chances, and he rarely makes an individual error leading to a goal or chance which Matip and Lovren have consistently done.

So yeh back four of gomez, vvd, Klavan, Robertson for me in the next match. Thoughts?


1.) 16 Feb 2018 10:20:29
The problem is they all have had great games and all have had shockers. So far Lovren and Van Dijk have looked good together so changing it doesn't make sense.

2.) 16 Feb 2018 10:24:34
VVD and Lovren for me.

Klavan was very impressive in his games this year and seemed to find a way to deal better with pace and trickery. I had written him off.

However time is not on his side. Lovren is a good defender but my god does he need consistency. When he makes a mistake its a howler. If he finds that consistency he could be an excellent partner for VVD.

He's had enough chances though so for me he's got until the end of the season to make it work otherwise he's out and a new CB will likely take his place.

He's looked good the last number of games though. AS has VVD. Hopefully they can keep it going.

3.) 16 Feb 2018 10:35:32
In theory it could work. However Virgil and Klavan both play on the left side of the pairing.

It's nowhere near as easy to just switch sides as people think. All of a sudden you are hitting passes with the other foot, tackling wingers from the other side, having to hold a different position in the line etc.

They looked suited in terms of their strengths and weaknesses. However i just don't see it working in reality.

4.) 16 Feb 2018 10:55:10
Jak, that won't work from jump. Why? They both play on the left side of the CB position and VVD has played there for years while Klavan well, is left footed. To create that partnership, you have to shift VVD to the right and sorry, that would take him time to re-adapt, time we simply do not have. As a Manager, you have to put your players in the very best situations to succeed and this partnership will do the complete opposite. That is just the reality.

5.) 16 Feb 2018 11:07:11
Klavan has done relatively well when played. I think he is a solid 3rd choice.

6.) 16 Feb 2018 11:10:51
Going on the other night it has to be VVD and Lovren for me, they looked like a solid unit, something we haven't seen for a very long time.

7.) 16 Feb 2018 11:46:02
I've been thinking this since VVD came in.

Klavan was playing very well along with Lovren while Matip was out injured and I felt bad for both of them for losing out when VVD came in and Matip came back.

In my opinion Matip is the worst of the 4, he just causes chaos around him every time he plays and really he needs to be got rid of.

I'd like to see Klavan given a run alongside VVD but i expect as VVD has taken up the left sided CB role there won't be much of a chance for Klavan now. he's a solid backup and I would definitely keep him around as 3rd/ 4th choice.

A new CB in the summer to partner VVD, Lovren and Klavan as backups and Gomez covering CB and RB positions and I think we are suddenly looking very strong in those areas.

If Karius can kick on and fulfill the potential he showed in Germany then great, otherwise I expect a new GK in the summer. As Ed002 has said this could well be Navas, which I would be fine with, he's very good, not in the very top group of GKs in the world (De Gea, Neuer, Oblak, Buffon etc) but is a very good keeper imo.

Have a relaxing weekend all, no football = no stress.

8.) 16 Feb 2018 15:05:31
Klavan and VVD won't work cos they both play on the left and it would be stupid for them to switch sides. This is not hard to grasp and Klavan himself, prolly knew that he would be the one to make way for VVD.

9.) 16 Feb 2018 16:43:37
Everyone saying it won’t work cos you need to switch sides must be forgetting that Lovren always played on the left for Southampton and played on the left when partnered with Matip but has now switched to the right for vvd?

10.) 16 Feb 2018 17:25:51
Lovren can play both sides Jak. It's not something every player can do. Carragher could too. As could Toure.

Agger couldn't. Skrtel couldn't. Hyypia couldn't. Sakho couldn't. Most player can't to be honest.

It's a skill in it's own right. Virgil or Klavan have never been asked to do it as long as I've known of them. Maybe one of them has it in their locker, but i certainly have never witnessed it from either of them.

11.) 16 Feb 2018 17:35:36
I think vvd could easily play on the right, would offer good advice to both Taa and Gomez who are young and could learn off him, and Klavan and Robertson would be a solid left hand side. Anyway that’s just my opinion I asked for everyone’s thoughts and it’s good to read what others think! Personally I just don’t want Lovren anywhere near that team, it’s been too long he’s had and too many chances and he’s never shone consistently, so many individual errors leading to either chances or goals and at times his decision making and overall defending is atrocious and not good to have him in a team of young defenders trying to learn!

12.) 16 Feb 2018 21:43:47
Vvd and Klavan are our lcbs, lovren and matip are our rcbs. Oh and gomez.

13.) 17 Feb 2018 09:14:18
Sad that Klavan hasn't even made it on bench. Such a crying shame.



07 Feb 2018 18:47:32
Hey Ed's,

I know we used to all adore him on the pitch and maybe speak of him with bias but now that it's been a few years since he retired and we can look back and reflect, what is your opinion on Steven Gerrard as a player?

And where would you rank him among those who played CM in the premiership era, in comparison to the usual Lampard and scholes, but also the veiras, keanes, makele, etc.

Would be interested to hear any of the Ed's opinions, and the users of course!

Thanks guys!


{Ed0333's Note - great question mate and I shouldn’t be editing because I’m on honeymoon but I can’t resist this site it’s my dirty little secret. Like everyone I rated Gerrard as a player. He had the knack of scoring goals that would save our bacon, he was a archetypal Roy of the rovers football player (google it kids) and players of his talent don’t come around often, but we were certainly blessed to have him. He also had opportunities to leave and didn’t so he was loyal also which endears him further. But Im objective enough to appreciate other Premiership central midfielders and it’s because of this I say that Gerrard wasn’t the best in the PL era. He wasn’t even the best at Liverpool that mantle will always to Xavi Alonso, that cat was magnificence and resplendence personified. He would own people on the pitch. But I will have to cut this short because the Mrs is giving me daggers as we’re going to dinner but to answer your question the best was probably a toss up Scholes, Makelele, Keane, Viera, Essien and Alonso. Sorry if this reply is haphazard but I’m writing furiously trying to duck the stiletto heels she’s throwing at me. Would love to hear your opinions Jak and others who their top 3 were and why?

1.) 08 Feb 2018 00:35:56
My view on Gerrard is as a player he had the ability over others to play different roles and make them his own.
I can remember he played right winger one season under Benitez and scored a shed load of goals, he played behind Torres and scored and created.
In the 05 champions league final I believe he took up three different roles in that game and came out on top in every position.
For England he was predominantly the holding midfielder
They guy had the lot.

Can’t remember any other player doing that for club and country.

Top three for me
Gerrard. Footballing legend
Alonso. Owned the game for every second he was on the pitch. Class act
Makele. The guy just made Chelsea tick with his presence.

{Ed0333's Note - Gerrard wasn’t a great at international level Gaza so he loses points there for me.

2.) 08 Feb 2018 01:17:38
Gerard’s best years were when he had Xabi behind him as he had the freedom to drive us forward safe in the knowledge Xabi or Didi had his back. Although Stevie could put a challenge in his positional sense wasn’t the best which is why I think BR ruined him trying to play him as the midfield pivot. Gerrard was untouchable for 2 or 3 seasons after Istanbul because of Alonso/ Mascherano. For me no player has had to drag the team to victory as much as Gerrard because like it or not the poor lad has had to put up with some mediocre players along side him most of his career. He could of left but he was loyal. There probably are better midfielders in the premier league era but I don’t think any of them had the heart our captain had and I wouldn’t of swapped him for Messi.

3.) 08 Feb 2018 01:39:21
I'm going for Alonso, Makelele and Essien.

Essien was just such an incredible footballer, Alonso was the Goat and Makelele essentially gave birth to a brand new position.

4.) 08 Feb 2018 02:07:45
Sometimes you have to separate the most talented and the best in a position.

I watched when j was younger the world's best free styler at the time, every trick in the book. Just couldn't play in a football match though.

Gerrard was the most talented premier league midfielder all round for me. He just didn't master his position and as ed says there is a whole host in front of him who did.

5.) 08 Feb 2018 02:47:11
Gerard is right up there for the way he could dictate the game and turn things on his own. Keane was influential but more just for that uncompromising attitude that made the opposition (and his own team) fear him. Scholes was brilliant but I never feared him completely as someone who could own the game.

I’d put Gerard’s real challengers as Makelele, Alonso and Viera, they were all something else and could dictate the play almost single-handedly. My personal favourite would be Alonso. he owned the game like very few others since, and could lock down the defence, control the possession, create, make incredible passes, and score some screamers. Viera would be very close too, thought he was a major part of the invincibles being invincible.

6.) 08 Feb 2018 04:51:07
Unfulfilled potential for me. Rafa was the best thing that happend to Stevie and even then he would moan about he's position. After he left, him and Carra had way too much influence at the club e. g being asked to tap up players I mean come on. Should have been phased out when he lost the physical side of his game and was being shoe horned into the holding midfield role. Still he accomplished so much and will always be a legend to my generation of fans who never got to see the glory days.

7.) 08 Feb 2018 01:31:07
Ed 0333 how much would your 6 listed players be worth in today’s game be worth considering the silly fees these days. I don’t think any team could afford them.

{Ed0333's Note - I think PSG and Man City would find a way I think mate.

8.) 08 Feb 2018 07:04:08
Of course this is subjective but I would not put Gerrard below any of the people mentioned above.

To me he was a match winner extraordinaire. I'll also hypothesise that if he'd had a better team around him then this wouldn't be a debate, he wouldn't just be a Liverpool great but an all time great.

9.) 08 Feb 2018 07:31:55
I'll keep it pretty short if I can, he was an outstanding driving force for the team on the pitch, some didn't like him or his persona off the field but I never saw anything untoward, so can't possibly comment on that, nor do I care really.

If losing a game or drawing, he'd pull us out of the fire, almost on his own at times.
We went through a phase in the mid to late 00's where we looked almost unbeatable in Europe and you had confidence we could beat almost any team due to his dominance on the field and aura with opposition players.

A true gem of a player in my opinion.

10.) 08 Feb 2018 07:42:47
I'm amazed to see lists above of a top 3 not including Keane. If he was from a big football nation it wouldn't even be a question. No matter what Fergusion said after their falling out Keane was his captain and first name on the team sheet as they won all around them. When he made Veira back down in the tunnel it ended that particular debate!

11.) 08 Feb 2018 06:16:09
I tend to look at the players he had around him when performing at his best. It's easy to look at Keane and Viera as being top shelf, but they consistently had quality around them. Scholes I don't rate as much as you do Ed033, in fact I think he was hugely overrated, but that's just a personal opinion. Keane was a beast, really put himself about and scared his own team mates never mind the opposition. Viera I think of as a classic midefielder. Touch, vision, drive, passion. Gerard I think is the closest to Viera, but again, only shone when Xabi and Masch were there with him. Other times pure grit and determination made him stand out when partnered with lesser midfielders.
So I'd go with:
Not sure where to put Alonso. Quality player and person.

12.) 08 Feb 2018 08:25:46
Sorry ed 0333 mate but were is lampard in all this he was brilliant a real team player a leader scored the most goals out of all them midfielders u mentioned an was decent for England, even has record goals for Chelsea an he ain't even a striker, I used too hate him cos he was direct competition too Gerrard but in all honesty he achieved more in every sense, all be it his club had real power and an advantage with money at the time.

{Ed0333's Note - I respect Lampards accomplishments especially as he was as naturally gifted as some of his contemporaries but to say he was the best Premiership midfielder nope not having it hailstones but it’s a great debate nonetheless.

13.) 08 Feb 2018 08:28:34
U rite though ed so right xabi Alonso was the anchor in the ship an when he left we were never the same again, an as great as Gerrard is he suffered too with Alonso leaving, I was completely gutted when he left.

{Ed0333's Note - Alonso today is better than Milner and Gini.

14.) 08 Feb 2018 09:51:40
I'll pick the best holding midfielder, best attacking midfielder, and best box to box midfielder in that order.

Alonso. Best midfielder of his generation.

Lampard. Incredibly hard working and scored an unprecedented number of goals.

Viera. Most complete midfielder of the premier league era.

Imagine them as a midfield 3!

Gerrard for me was best on the right side. Shame he refused to play there as i think he'd be remembered as the best right sided player in the leagues history. He was probably better there than even Ronaldo (Premier league Ronaldo that is) was because he scored 20 a season, but also created more than ever Ronny did, and worked harder defensively. I'd never have him in my top 3 midfielders though. He was a world class right midfielder, a top class attacking midfielder, and just a decent central midfielder. I'd say his choice in where he played made him into a scorer of great goals, rather than a great goal scorer. Shame really. Rafa saw his potential on the right, he scored more goals in his one season there than in any other year of his career, but he just wanted to be in the middle to the detriment of the team and even his own game. What i will say is that Gerrard had the best set piece delivery I've ever seen in any generation of footballers. His corners and free kicks alone, were worth £50m. He's still one of the best players ever to play for Liverpool though which takes some doing.

If we're including outside of the premier league too though, my midfield 3 would be Alonso (still), Iniesta, and probably Seedorf. I'm struggling to decide between Seedorf and Zidane though.

15.) 08 Feb 2018 10:41:43
From the English lads Lampard and Scholes were very good but if you’re ahead in a game and the opposition were to Bring on one of those 3 who would you fear most? Gerrard, every day of the week.

16.) 08 Feb 2018 11:14:04
I'd fear Lampard more to be honest, Swishcleaner. He scored nearly twice as many goals as Gerrard.

Maybe Gerrard scored better goals, but I'll take two scrappy 18 yard deflected goals over one 30 yard free kick.

Gerrard and Scholes were awesome, but for all their Brilliance, Lampard got more goals, and more assists in less games. Maybe he was less talented, but he sure as hell made the best of it and squeezed every last drop of ability he had out onto the pitch. He was also far less likely to get himself sent off unlike Gerrard and Scholes who often let games get away from them and violently retaliated.

Unpopular opinion on here for sure as Gerrard was clearly the more talented player, but I'd be more scared of a prime Lampard, than the other two.

17.) 08 Feb 2018 12:02:32
Maybe so mk, scored more but in terms of grabbing games by the neck and influencing them either from the bench or from the start I’d say Gerrard was ahead of him. Far more versatile as well, so you could have him be influential in far more areas. Lampard was playing in a very good Chelsea team where a lot less was asked of him as well.

18.) 08 Feb 2018 12:33:14
I'd say Lampard was being asked a lot more questions to be honest. It is much easier to look out of place in a world class team. Chelsea also replaced every player in their team regularly and Lampard was good enough to beat off all comers fir his place in the team.

Gerrard had everything built around him, whereas Lampard had to accept being a part of the team, rather than the team. Gerrard got to take every penalty, every free kick, every corner etc. He was afforded the freedom to take shot after shot because it was widely accepted he was our best chance at a goal, whereas Lampard had no excuse not to pass.

What i will agree on is grabbing a game though. Lampard arguably wasn't as complete individually. Gerrard could win the ball back, run 40 yards, and then score from 30 yards. Lampard possibly needed a better team around him as he didn't have the pace and power to take a game to the opposition single handedly. So i suppose it depends on the team. In a weak team, Gerrard is your man. In a stronger team, Lampard is your man. Good argument though mate, certainly made me reconsider slightly.

19.) 08 Feb 2018 15:03:38
Lampard was great but it was in the context of a team that clicked. Gerard could turn a game on his own regardless of how good the team was around him. he was the fulcrum while Lampard was the finisher.

20.) 08 Feb 2018 16:26:04
Lampard used to arrive late on the edge of the box and get his goals that way.
He never turned a game round for me, Gerrard did it frequently via a long thunderbolt, a driving run, a pin point cross or even a header.
In big games, he always delivered. Scored in finals of league cup, FA cup, UEFA cup and Champions league.

Gerrard way above Lampard. With Gerrard in your team you always had a chance.
I’d also put him ahead of Viera, Scholes and Keane.

Alonso was supremely talented, but did he ever pull the team out of a hole like Gerrard? Did he do it consistently like Gerrard? I’m not so sure.

A legend, simple as that, and easily in the top 5 LFC players ever for me 🤝.

21.) 08 Feb 2018 20:28:33
The only thing I’ll add mk and was that two of the top 3 of Gerrard’s hightest scoring seasons were when we had Mascherano and alsonso plying alongside him with. Gerrard was pushed further forward as we weren’t so reliant on having one player holding it together. So when he did have better players around him he actually delivered more on the goal scoring front.

22.) 09 Feb 2018 11:30:37
I thought Gerrard was a phenomenal player but only occasionally. He could do great things with the ball but most of the time he made the wrong decision similar to Coutinho in that style. Sometimes, the correct decision was the ten footer to a runner instead of the thirty yard shot which sometimes hit the target. I can not stress how perfectly built he was to be a legend but I can’t help feel he could have accomplished far more in the game if his mind set was a little different.

The loyalty thing is a strange one- he spun it favorably but I’m not sure it was loyalty alone which kept him at the club. Was it not said that his treatment of team mates was very bad? I thought I’d heard that Torres received a lot of abuse from him for their different lifestyle and much of it led to him wanting to leave. His off field antics were disgraceful and on numerous occasions he was arrested and let’s not forget the high profile court case for his assault on the dj which he skipped free from.

And last but not least, he kind of landed us in trouble with the fa with his book after he left. For me Gerrard is a frustrating memory. I think he could have been one of the all time greats and he did do great things but I couldn’t put him up there with god or Kenny. And now to add insult to injury, imo three best midfielders were Keane, Scholes and Makelele. Shout out to Viera.

23.) 09 Feb 2018 11:41:32
Gerrard was better than alonso. Simple. Torres always maintained that sg was the best he ever played with not xa.

24.) 10 Feb 2018 18:50:43
Cheers for the response ed, especially on your honeymoon haha and congrats by the way! Agree with most of what u said actually, loved Alonso, loved Keane, wasn’t mad on scholes but appreciate some people rank him up there. Loved Gerard’s driving abiltity, determination and moments of brilliance which could win a game or drag us out of a rut at times and inspire others in the team. definitely don’t think his strong point was dictating a game tho, in terms of slowing it down when needed etc. think he played a lot with his heart rather than his head which is probably why he shone so much more when placed with Alonso who was a genius at playing with his head and seeing the whole game in front of him! I’d have to give it a real good think about who else I’d place up there, which is probably what I’ll be thinking theoughout my shift in work now tonight haha. Enjoy the rest of the honeymoon mate!




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16 Jan 2018 13:41:41
Even if klopp was a fan, which not many managers seem to be due to lack of interest. for the 60m arsenal are seemingly prepared to offer, is he going to come and sit on the bench for that fee or is he going to displace firmino who at the minute is having his best season?




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Playing football for a living each week for one of the most successful teams ever on a very healthy salary is seen as being held hostage now is it. {Ed002's Note - It does if he is desperate to leave.}





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09 Mar 2018 16:23:07
Wow Ronaldo a nicer person than Messi MK? When I read that sentence I thought u were being sarcastic but then realized u actually meant it? That is incredible.

On another note Messi is the best IMO but the player I most enjoyed watching will always be ronaldinho, he was a joy to watch and made me love football when I first seen him.




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09 Mar 2018 11:46:41
Baby driver I don’t know if u mentioned my name by mistake but your response has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making? I’m going to assume u misread what I said or didn’t understand it.




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09 Mar 2018 10:04:39
Not saying he would or wudnt get into real Madrid’s team or not but I am a firm believer that the majority, and I stress the word majority, don’t go to clubs and expect to sit on the bench. Maybe for one season while u bed in but in general when players move to a club it’s because they fell they have the quality to cement a place for themselves. Look at Delph going to city, Solanke coming to us, Lorente going to Spurs, Drinkwater going to Chelsea. You have to understand the quality these players are at are out of this world! I used to play kick about with a semi pro and let me tell u he was so good it was difficult to image how much better a player could honestly get! I know that’s a different thing altogether but what I’m saying is these players have put their whole lives into playing football, from such a young age and dedicated hours upon hours of practice, it wouldn’t be right if they didn’t feel like they could displace anyone in a starting XI given a bit more work and a bit more development! That’s how they are brought up and they know how good they are!

On another note I think can is a fantastic player who is only going to get better and I don’t want to lose him. And looking at real Madrid’s midfield I have to agree with the ed and say it isn’t as good as people are making out, it’s also had injury problems and some players are getting older in t, not saying they are interested in can but it would make sense for them to be after a few players to bolster that squad!




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05 Mar 2018 18:57:18
I was waitin for u to get to arsenal at 6, that was disappointing.




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05 Mar 2018 18:56:12
Thankfully age hasn’t caught up with myself enough yet ed to be familiar with that feeling 😉.


{Ed002's Note - It will Jak.}