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07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?


{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}



05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.


1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!

2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.

3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.

6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.



26 Nov 2014 18:34:48

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round



{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}




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19 Feb 2018 07:28:30
A question for ed01 if I may.

I feel as if we’re about to enter a new phase of our progression under klopp this summer and that is the one of building a squad that has equal (if not almost) quality on the bench as it does on the pitch. What I mean by that is if you look at the top clubs they’ve have 2 excellent players competing for the same position such as Aguero and Jesus or sane/ sterling etc. Whilst at the moment we have unequivocal first choices in our front 3 in particular. We likely need to look to an additional winger or possibly striker depending on what happens to Ings/ Sturridge/ origi.

I guess what I’m asking is do you see that transition as tricky? Will top prospects such as a Brandt, Bailey or Pulisic etc be keen to join knowing how hard it will be to displace our front 3 and if we do sign such players, how our front 3 will feel about not playing pretty much every game they’re fit for?

Hope that makes sense?!


{Ed001's Note - I do not see us as anywhere near that point yet, we have no midfield to speak of yet, we have two right backs who both are intended to have a long term future in different positions. Those positions need attending to before we should even be thinking about squad depth.}

1.) 19 Feb 2018 10:48:23
Here here! We need full backs! The system demands two excellent full backs. I don’t care if we don’t buy another CB in the summer. It’s our full back that’s worse than anything. However I do expect 2 midfielders to arrive in the summer and the total tally will rise up to 6-7 players.
Except the front 3 anyone could move in the summer.

2.) 19 Feb 2018 12:37:31
Spot on Ed001. I know you're a fan of Ndidi and Mendy at Leicester but are there any others you think are viable and a good fit. I like the look of Jorginho, Torreira and Dendoncker but I don't think we've shown any interest in them either. And at right bac apart from Pereira, are there any others we're looking at?

{Ed001's Note - Jorginho is one I particularly like but I think we would be better with the more combative type, such as Doucoure. There have been a few right backs looked at, though most are unlikely to be options this summer, Fredericks of Fulham could well be possible, he is of interest.}

3.) 19 Feb 2018 13:37:07
If I may ask Ed001, why are the right backs unlikely to be options this summer? Is it due to them not being available or because many top clubs are also looking at them?

{Ed001's Note - both.}

4.) 19 Feb 2018 13:41:13
Thanks Ed. Doucoure has really hit the ground running in the PL. I don't know much about his mentality or game intelligence but his ability is there for all to see. Must admit I don't know much about Fredericks apart from he's a former Spurs academy player so will keep an eye out. Thanks again!

{Ed001's Note - Fredericks is very attacking.}

5.) 19 Feb 2018 13:47:30
would like any of those mentioned tbh. not seen much of Jorginho so can't comment but i agree with ed that i would like a real enforcer. Doucoure is a really good player from what i have seen. really hope we target a midfielder of that nature. with Kieta coming in i only expect 1 more midfielder after that a right back and an attacker/ winger then replacements for outgoings.

6.) 19 Feb 2018 14:03:55
Whilst Torreira doesn’t match Doucoure or Dendoncker in height he’s a snarly and tough little chap who loves a tackle and pretty useful passer. Has a bit of Mascherano Medel Veratti about him.

{Ed001's Note - I have not seen him play.}

7.) 19 Feb 2018 14:35:36
The player I would've loved in there was Obiang of West with every game before his horrible injury problems.

What's happened to him do you think Ed? He looks half the player he was before his injuries. Do you think they've just taken too much out of him he'll never get back or do you think it'll just be a matter of time before he's back to his best?

Also, I'm very surprised to see a question about midfielders and you not say you hope we sign Gary Medel!

All the best.

{Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? Obiang was playing well this season until he picked up another injury.}

8.) 19 Feb 2018 14:49:43
Personally I think he looked a off the pace. But granted that may well have been because he was playing in a poor West Ham team.

Do you know if he is seen as being particularly susceptible to injuries, or if its just seen as bad luck on his part? West Ham have plenty of experience of dealing with the perpetually injured Andy Carroll.

Are Liverpool interested in any of this sort of combative midfielder that you know of? We have Keita coming in who people seem to think is like that but I think he's a lot more creative and dynamic than people believe. I've seen him described as a more attacking Kante, which is completely wrong in my view.

{Ed001's Note - no point asking West Ham about this, they do not do enough work on this area. The fact he has suffered a number of injuries means that he will be more susceptible, it is just the way it is. The body will slightly alter its running style to protect damaged joints creating wear and tear where it shouldn't be and so increase risk of another, different injury, as well as the possibility of a weakness where previous injury occurred. So he would be off my list off targets if I was choosing.

We are not really looking for a combative midfielder, more of a pressing, high-energy player, such as Keita, who you rightly point out is not a lot like Kante really.}

9.) 19 Feb 2018 15:01:11
Cheers for the replies Ed.

I'd like us to be looking for someone who can take Hendersons slightly deeper role, when he is injured or rested, but could also be used further up the pitch in the pressing, high energy capacity yoy have described.

The worst thing about all of this is that if I were looking around Europe for such a player I would only really find one that fits the bill.

Young, very fit, high energy, decent on the ball, lots of potential, experience in England.

And that is Emre Can. Which is a shame.

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't even consider Can for the role personally, he has not got the right mentality and is far too forgetful of his defensive responsibilities. There are many who fit the bill far better, Allan of Napoli, Ndidi of Leicester off the top of my head.}

10.) 19 Feb 2018 14:26:25
Doucoure is perfect and he will end up at spurs as the Long term replacement for Dembele. We are looking outside England. I wouldn’t mind Yuri Tielemans from Monaco, Kovacic from Real,

11.) 19 Feb 2018 15:13:53
Fair enough mate. Cheers for the responses.

I'd like us to take a chance on Nampalys Mendy. He would likely be available quite cheap, and even if he doesn't kick on to become a great player he would be a solid squad player for many years to come.



10 Feb 2018 14:10:50
One for ed2 if you’re about please.

You mentioned recently that Navas is a GK we’ve shown interest in. We already know about Allison, I wondered if there are anymore gk’s you know if we have an interest in?

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - as I have said before, circumstances may we’ll be that you put aside thoughts of Alisson. Interest from Liverpool and another side remains in Navas. I expect he will be the very clear target for Klipperty in the summer. I am not aware of any other GKs the club is showing interest in but I am sure that scouts will keep an eye on players as the season progresses.}

1.) 10 Feb 2018 14:35:33
Is he a free agent in the summer ed?

Hope they don’t try to use him in some swap deal for salah.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

2.) 10 Feb 2018 14:58:27
Nava's is a good keeper in my opinion.

I'm just not sure "good" is the level we need. He's certainly stable though. Not really got any weaknesses, and rarely makes mistakes. He just doesn't really have any stand out abilities as a keeper.

I'd support him though. He'd still be the best keeper we've had since Reina left. Bar hasn't been set very high though 😂.

3.) 10 Feb 2018 15:18:29
I take it Madrid have a replacement already lined up?

4.) 10 Feb 2018 15:46:01
Sorry MK, Navas is nothing like a good keeper. He’s a show pony like Casillas, ask yourself why Madrid are so desperate to replace him? He throws himself around at shots he should reasonably save and makes basic mistakes that cost goals, add to that he’s too easily beaten at his near post or anything over his head and he’s no better than Mignolet. We’ll not mention his inability to deal with crosses. The only thing he has is that he’s ok with the ball at his feet. If we signed him it would be repeating the same mistakes we always appear to do with keepers.

5.) 10 Feb 2018 16:01:16
It's Real Madrid to be fair Dennis. They replaced Ozil just because the fans got bored of him and wanted an expensive, shiny, new player.

I wouldn't pick Navas, but he's won League titles and Champions leagues in Real Madrid's net, across several seasons. So whilst he isn't world class, he's clearly not bad either.

Casillas gets a bad rap on here too, i think. I agree Casillas was hugely over rated and never world class, but he was still a good keeper in his prime.

Real Madrid replace anybody as and when they feel like it though, so that is not a fair barometer of his abilities. I do agree that we should be looking for better. If Klopp wants Navas, we should support him though.

6.) 10 Feb 2018 16:49:36
MK, I have watched Navas since his Levante days and right now, he is not who we need. He has regressed for a while now since he played at the WC where for me, he was the best GK, neck and neck with Neuer. Navas is poor on crosses, lacks the athleticism off his line like Karius does for example as RM do not play a high line, and does not command his box enough.

I do agree that RM fans wanted DDG from jump and Navas was never their guy even tho he helped them win a hatful of Cups in the past 3 seasons, a very good shot stopper has, good reflexes and. Not sold on him as he has regressed from the WC days, IMO.

7.) 10 Feb 2018 18:03:55
He is a really poor keeper who let's in soft goals. He hardly has anything to do at Madrid and yet still looks rotten when called upon. Madrid have been desperate to get shot of him for ages. We shouldn’t be the mug punters to take him.

{Ed002's Note - You keep posting the same thing over and over and you just don't seem to get it that he is a player that Klopp would like.}

8.) 10 Feb 2018 21:00:33
Fair point Ed. It’s just frustrating that it’s a crucial position that we keep getting wrong and it looks like we’re going to get it horribly wrong again if Klopp gets his way. If Keylor Navas is reading this, the weather here is horrible and the food awful. You should stay in Spain 😉.

9.) 11 Feb 2018 03:38:06
Dennis you said the same thing about the ox for weeks and weeks and were proved very wrong. Navas wouldn't be my first choice but he is miles ahead of migs. Understand madrid have a better squad than us but they would barely have got close to a trophy if navas was the same standard as migs. They are looking to replace him with arguably the worlds best goalkeeper not some average keeper. There are very few teams that wouldn't want to replace their keeper with DDG given the opportunity!

10.) 11 Feb 2018 09:57:41
Has he been proved wrong about ox? I'd love him to be top notch but still find he's inconsistent just like his arsenal days.

11.) 11 Feb 2018 13:59:54
Farmo, without directly quoting I think the word used was ‘woeful’ about the ox. He has been far from that.



31 Jan 2018 06:26:49
If spurs lose tonight and then again against us on the weekend, the gap to top 4 will be 8 points.

Should they throw in the towel? According to many on here we might as well fold no?


1.) 31 Jan 2018 07:04:29
Hang on 87, that can't be right surely? Just 24 hours ago you'd have though we were in a relegation battle.

2.) 31 Jan 2018 07:22:08
And to think when we lose a game it's all doom and gloom. Good job after we win 1 we don't get carried away 🤦🏻‍♂. It was a cracking win, let's just take 1 game at a time. Spurs next.

3.) 31 Jan 2018 07:32:18
I know burkey! I love the disagree monsters as well who can’t bring themselves to actually defend their childish posts over the last few days. Cheer up lads, top 4 is still easily on!

4.) 31 Jan 2018 07:45:14
You love that face palm emoji Jayden.

I’m not getting carried away in the slightest. I don’t get too excited when we win and I don’t get too defeatist when we lose. I hate it when we lose but I don’t then decide our season is over. I’m merely pointing out that people shouldn’t be so keen to write us off.

5.) 31 Jan 2018 08:03:15
Guess it depends if you think that losing in the manner that we did in the two previous games was acceptable and that suddenly that one win puts right all of the deficiencies that are present in the squad, because it doesn’t. Spurs is much more of a test and will not be anywhere near as easy. We are still on course for another trophyless season and there is still a good chance that we could finish outside top four, given that our weaknesses are easy to exploit.

6.) 31 Jan 2018 08:09:57
87red I have the emoji on speed button mate. I totally agree with what your saying but who cares if people are doom and gloom or if they get carried away after a win. It's their own personal opinion. People seem to take it so personal if someone doesn't share their view. Football debate is what is great about the sport.

7.) 31 Jan 2018 09:00:52
Mr Dennis, your definitely a glass half empty type of guy. You cannot win every game or play well every game. We were poor against Swansea yet still had 4 unreal chances to score. They had 2 shots. West Brom was really poor but a lot was down to Moreno who should not be anywhere near the team.

You constantly moan about our midfielders. I agree to a point as there are no world class players there but Henderson for one is a quality player and one who when in the side makes us a better team. We have made huge progress over the past 2 years and will continue to strengthen in the summer. We are level on points with Chelsea and have Arsenal and City out of the way for the rest of the season, spurs too after Sunday.

Support your team and stop being so negative day in day out .



30 Jan 2018 07:26:16
I saw a post yesterday about someone asking for Mahrez and saying it might not be popular on here but they would “SETTLE” for him. Settling is exactly why we’ve bought some poor players over the last decade.

Let’s have a poll and you can only choose one option, not mame up your own to suit your agenda:

A) we settle and buy a Mahrez type player
B) we wait until the summer when klopps first choice is attainable a la VVD and Keita.

Like it or not that is what we’re facing, So why don’t we stop bitching about it and get on with supporting the club.

To all those who are folding and saying our season is finished, you’re an embarrassment.


1.) 30 Jan 2018 07:53:08
Option b all day 87red people are thinking mahrez might get us a couple of points and that might make the diffrence but then we are 50mill + a wage bill further from the player we should be signing we are liverpool fc unfortunatly we need to prove to great players we are worth coming to and that means a good run in champions league and top 4 this season proves it is no fluke when you get there two years running we are still building no i can't completly buy into what klopp is doing i do support him i just wish he would address the defence issue more with a defensive coach than new players.

2.) 30 Jan 2018 07:54:06
Have to wait for the summer. Don’t think a thing has changed since Coutinho left. It’s been more about attitude. I’d be incredibly surprised if we somehow managed to place out of top four this season so why pay a premium for players now instead of waiting until the season when all they can do is get us second (which I’m fairly certain we’re going to do regardless)

3.) 30 Jan 2018 08:13:58
We’re playing poorly and teams are exposing our weaknesses in midfield, defence and goal, and they’re doing far too easily. Losing to the bottom two teams in the league in quick succession is appalling to say the least and after those performances, it’s hard to see where our next win will come from because I see no creativity or defensive ability in that alleged midfield, so it is reasonavly foreseeabile that fourth place could disappear, and the rate we’re going winning the champions league a mere pipe dream. Simply saying keep the faith and hoping it will all work out isn’t going to work.

4.) 30 Jan 2018 08:18:13
I would replace Lallana with Mahrez
We have offloaded Sturridge and unless Lallana can stay fit and available he is not contributing to the team
Rather like having a Ferrari in the garage which won’t start.

5.) 30 Jan 2018 08:33:37
I would be option A, simply because in the summer the excuse will be “we can't sign top class players because we are not in champions league”.
You can’t stand still while our direct competitors are adding quality to their weak positions, which then makes them stronger. We are not 10 points clear from 5th so the arrogance in thinking we will just turn up after selling our best player ( so minus at least 7-10 important goals and assists) and still finish 4th is beyond me. It’s too big of a gamble and the sense of defeatism/ loss of selling Coutinho is huge. We need to sign someone that can at least make a difference and ease the pain of losing a talisman.
Just ask yourself this question, would the clubs of Kevin De Bruyne, Pogba, Hazard, Kane or Sanchez sell them in Jan without a replacement been already lined up? I don’t think their fans will allow it!

6.) 30 Jan 2018 08:56:49
Wait until the summer when Spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea are looking forward to next season's champions league!

7.) 30 Jan 2018 08:59:41
I agree aoe, not a lot has changed without him in the squad, he did barely bugger all this season anyway. I'd also go for option B before panic buying a player who could prove to be a flop.

8.) 30 Jan 2018 09:08:54
I actually think Mahrez would be a good addition, I don’t know enough about his off field antics but on the field he seems back to his form:of 2 years ago. I don’t think he’s as creative as couts but he’s a great dribbler and more importantly he’s great with deadballs. I think against teams that park the bus that’s far more important than trying to get someone to open them up up as we know we win enough corners and free kicks to win games twice over- we are frustratingly in effective from set pieces.

9.) 30 Jan 2018 09:12:00
C) work on adapting the tactics to counter the opposition when they have worked you out.

10.) 30 Jan 2018 10:46:34
87 red it was me who suggested Mahrez but this was not as a cure all issues nor a panick buy i just think with couts gone AL struggling with injuries Can does not want to be there he is better than what we have. Its no use in planninig for next summer that will take care of its self but with the uncertainty regarding MO plus if we don't make top 4 how easy do you think it will be to make top signings we will just be back where we were 3 years ago.

{Ed001's Note - Coutinho played on the left or centre, Can plays central and Lallana usually plays central, in what way would a right winger be a better option?}

11.) 30 Jan 2018 10:59:57

We have a fantastic squad. VVD, salah, mane, keita are all big time players that we can add to in the summer. If we bring in 4th or 5th choice players just for the sake if it, that may help depth in short term but then we are saddled with their contract for another 3 or so years and probably no takers. I like our patience.

12.) 30 Jan 2018 11:15:56
In the Summer when other teams are looking forward to the Champions League.

13.) 30 Jan 2018 15:03:01
Eds 1 do you not think Mahrez could play central behind a front three and interchange thus having two siting behind him? I think it would work well. Sadly i can't see this being an option.

{Ed001's Note - he has played there but I would not touch him as he has shown a poor attitude.}



25 Jan 2018 08:02:19
Let’s get something straight here “we need a couts replacement to breakdown defensive teams”

Couts was here for 5 years and I seem to remember us faltering against these types of teams on a regular basis with him in the side.

We need to replace him because he was quality but buying someone in won’t change these frustrating results alone, we need a new approach to these games and for more players with bravery to take it to these teams.


{Ed001's Note - finally someone who gets it!}

1.) 25 Jan 2018 08:47:49
Well said 87red. I said the minute we lose or drew a game. Sly sports etc would be straight away saying oh it's cause they sold Coutinho! Absolutely tripe! as you say it's been our weakness for a few years. That was with coutinho in the team, with him taking 9 shots from 35 yards in those types of games, without him scoring. Funny they said can't say we didn't miss him based on 1 game v league best team. Yet they have a feel day based on 1 lose in a game we easily could have scored 3,4 and our gk stood and watched the whole game and had nothing to do!

2.) 25 Jan 2018 08:47:55
I fully agree with using the word 'bravery'. Salah spent the last game making those short diagonal bursts of runs through the centre halves but for most of the game the midfielders weren't brave enough to try and find him. They have the ability to do it and have to try, maybe they will step up now, hopefully.

3.) 25 Jan 2018 08:51:04
We don't have the midfield capable of doing what you are suggesting. If they run around a bit more it doesn't change the fact that they lack ability.

At 0-0 in games agains't a defensive set up 8 times out of 10 our midfield will offer zero going forward.

Couts far from did it all the time but he will bring more to the table this season (in 5 months) in goals and assists than all the other midfield put together in a whole season.

In 17 starts and 2 subs in the league and Champ league he has

12 goals
8 assists.

{Ed001's Note - they do have the ability and have shown they do, they have all shown they are capable of far more in big games.}

4.) 25 Jan 2018 09:08:36
I agree with Mark to be honest, not a fan of Phil anymore after the way he left (I'm also not going to slag him) but my god did he play well for 4 or 5 months this season after his dummy throwing.

In my opinion, his form hugely contributed to our unbeaten run, not saying we'd have beaten Swansea if he played, just saying he brings more to the table offensively than Can/ Wijnaldum/ Oxlade Chamberlain who all were pretty poor on Monday, so he could have brought more chances or possibly even goals.

He does need replacing, not necessarily like for like but we do need another attack minded player coming from midfield.

5.) 25 Jan 2018 09:17:02
yes agreed they have some ability or they wouldn't be playing premier league football. The big games are totally different styles of matches, we try to cancel them instead of the other way round (it is easier to do) . Some of our midfield are mentally weak, some just are not bright enough to understand what needs to change in a game.

Many of the defensive teams match us for work rate in midfield, we then don't have the extra quality to beak them down. Our midfield is not significantly better to make any difference.

This is just my opinion but in these matches we need a change of system if we can't get the required player in. I also favour Lovren with VVD and hope we will concede a lot less goals.

6.) 25 Jan 2018 09:19:28
It's funny mark, because this season we have had a large number of high scoring results against very defensive teams without Coutinho.

7.) 25 Jan 2018 09:34:35
But we won games with him.

No one is saying we won't win games now and we are not saying the fowards aren't decent. But we were a far better team with Courts in the team. Barcelona didn't pay £140m for Milner, Gini or Ox.

No one would take our 6 remaining midfield for £140m.

Hjikle it is about doing well in the Champs league and finishing in the top 4. It is undeniable that we would of had a much better chance with him. But his head was up his arse so he had to be sold. But now we on the ropes and need a top signing.

You should never ever sell your best or one of your very best players without a replacement.

8.) 25 Jan 2018 09:47:45
You make perfect sense to me Mark, couldn't really agree more!

9.) 25 Jan 2018 10:26:37
Spot on, 87red. I think it is the people spending their time reading media nonsense that come up with these one sided statements of Cou being the secret sauce for low block teams whereas he has been in the team countless times when we had dreadful results against them. And saying we don't have the ability to break down teams where as we have done a WAY better job of doing that this season, is also patently false as the numbers bear that out. We won, drew and lost games of this manner, with and w/ o Cou in the team and our boys have the ability to deliver in both these games and in big games under Klopp and one loss in 19 (w/ and w/ o) does NOT change any of that.

Mark, so we are on the ropes after one los in 19 games. Knee jerk much? You need to stop panicking really cos it is not good for your health. Also, you saying we are a better team with Cou in it this season is your opinion and is highly debatable and cos the numbers don't bear that out. Vs Burnley, WBA, Newcastle, Spurs, Cou was in those teams and he was poor and so was the whole team and was a liability in both the Spurs and Burnley games. Yes, we were good in other games where we played well w/ him and in others where we played VERY well (Arse and City) where he did NOT play at all.

Also, you seem to forget that Cou would not have even played the City or Swansea games cos he was injured and would have refused to play anyway if his threats came to pass. Pls, enough of the Cou fixation as it is a non issue and a non argument. We need a signing, yes IF we can get one and like it or not, Klopp will NOT buy a stop gap so you might as well get over it.

10.) 25 Jan 2018 10:47:16
Well considering that pretty much every single top signing would be cup tied for the CL, no matter who we signed it would probably not affect our CL performance. And considering he was refusing to play for us again, keeping him probably wouldn't have affected either. And our squad has proven several times that yes he's a quality player, but we are capable of matching anyone without him. So what's your point? Are you complaining because we haven't magically come up with a non-cup tied world class midfielder who is willing to force his way out of his club? Or because the club decided that there was nothing to gain by refusing to collect a ridiculous transfer fee to be used as appropriate on a player who was disrupting the squad and didn't want to play for us anymore? Or both? Cause although LFC as an organisation pulls a lot of I genuinely can't see how the events of this window are really anyones fault but the one person that I've never seen you blame - Coutinho for going on strike for the second time this year.

11.) 25 Jan 2018 11:08:07
BRover, he's not being fixated on Coutinho mate, he's referring to us being short of creativity from a Coutinho type of player in midfield if I'm not mistaken.

Look, Messi isn't at the races every game either is he and Barcelona have lost silly games too with him in the team, but the point is that players with Coutinho's type of ability give you a better chance, that's all, no more, no less.

12.) 25 Jan 2018 11:25:11
hjikle - Coutinho would have left last Summer if we'd been able to bring in VVD and Keita / Lemar. None of these happened at the time and one may never.
Kllopp wanted them, FSG's men failed to deliver.
It's poor planning and the squad has been left short - again!

They've given Klopp back a disgruntled player and hoped he'd do a Suarez for his final year (without the bite) . I applaud them that they stood up to Barcelona but ultimately money talks.
Editors say VVD was't dependant on Coutinho's sale.
There may be no ritual exchange of bags of silver, but Liverpool's financial year ends May 31 and, unless a new signing does miraculously appear in the next week, the accounts are going to look healthier than the first team squad come then.
Draw your own conclusions at that.

13.) 25 Jan 2018 11:45:33
My exact point the other day about us needing a plan b, well said 87. We are never going to replace Coutinho for the things he does. We need too add quality not replace Coutinho. And as I said the other day it’s the same talking point every time we play teams that sit back and it has been for a few seasons now. Different approach and bigger thoughts is another thing we need instead of going into every game with the opposition knowing 95% of how we are going to play.

14.) 25 Jan 2018 11:51:25
Lallana, Wijnaldum, Henderson and Chamberlain have all scored over 5 goals in a single season in recent years, and they've all assisted about 30 goals EACH over the last 3 years of their careers. These aren't players without the ability to hurt opposition teams. These are players who too often, are forced into playing without the freedom to hurt opposition teams, and seem to lack confidence because of it.

Our problem stems entirely from the fact that we don't have anybody to cover the mass loss of form and injuries we're seeing (Hendo, Lallana and Gini), thus killing the balance to our midfield that was so good just 12 months ago. This could be resolved simply by signing a defensive midfielder mind you, because then we could change up the system to cover injury. The problem is, Klopp won't change as he believes in having a midfield 3 as fluid as his front 3. For that you need 3 very mobile, intelligent players who can attack, defend, have a good reading of the game, but most importantly you need players who move the ball quickly and then move to receive a pass.

As soon as you bring Can or Milner into our midfield, it hurts us purely because they don't suit our style of play. To be honest, even Lallana, Hendo and Wijnaldum on top form are still too lackadaisical to really get Klopp's philosophy going at full tilt and challenge for top honours. Ultimately though, this is why Can looks so inconsistent despite being a great midfielder, and why Milner looks absolutely awful, despite (once upon a time) being an okay central midfielder. They are both too slow and too rigid to play in a fluid midfield, and our options who do suit the system are all suffering from poor form or injury.

Milner and Can simply do not suit the way Klopp wants to play and to be fair, Keita will replace one of them most likely in the summer. The question is, who replaces the other, and why (seemingly) isn't it a priority this January?

Long term, the only midfielders on our books who i have confidence in are Ox and Keita, so i think it is far more important we correct that before we try and sign a back up left forward to replace Coutinho. Lemar is an excellent option for the left side of our midfield 3, and i pray that the rumours circulating are true. He can even play left wing too so he can actually replace Coutinho and Milner. Then we'd just need Keita in for Can in the summer and our midfield problems would be effectively resolved.

15.) 25 Jan 2018 12:29:59
Still think we need one more in midfield MK, a physical player - tall and athletic.

16.) 25 Jan 2018 12:46:11
Keita and Ox are very physical, wouldn't you say? I'm not massively bothered by height. As long as they are aggressive and add a bit of steel, height doesn't really matter to me. They will usually be competing for headers with attacking midfielders who are going to be about 5ft5-5ft10. Kante isn't tall and he's a monster.

I do get your point, but Keita is actually not that bad with his head anyway. With how high we play, our centre backs are the only players likely to need to win headers.

17.) 25 Jan 2018 12:57:02
Juicer - now you're just making stuff up. There is no indication at any point that Coutinho wouldn't have left when he did had we signed other people. And frankly you can blame FSG as much as you want, but Klopp is the reason that we didn't sign VVD in the summer - no one else, FSG have actually rescued that one for us.

18.) 25 Jan 2018 13:15:09
No mate, it was the numpty that prematurely put VVD's signing up on the Liverpool website that loused that up.

19.) 25 Jan 2018 13:34:37
Hey MK,

I just prefer height myself for set pieces etc, read a stat somewhere recently that if you have 3 players over 6 foot, you are 40 - 50% less likely to concede from a set piece.

Many teams play with 3 CBs now, we don't, I personally have always liked that set up.

I just don't want to go back to conceding at every second corner/ free kick.

Keita might well be good at heading, but if he's up against Matic/ Pogba for example, he won't even get up high enough to win it.

20.) 25 Jan 2018 15:45:45
You could tell we weren’t going to score against Swansea after about 15 minutes because we were failing to keep hold of the ball in their half an build any pressure. It was one pass forwards, 3 passes back. To win whose sort of games against a ultra defensive team you have to build pressure in their half, which we were incapable of doing.

21.) 25 Jan 2018 15:51:07
To break teams down who park the bus we need a top class winger there is no one in the team that can dribble past a player we just try to pass it round them or through them.




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13 Feb 2018 07:21:48
I’d take that rumour with a pinchi of salt if I were you.

I’ll get my coat lads 😅.




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05 Feb 2018 12:07:30
1. this is not a new link

2. of course he could sign for them on a free, there is no cooling off period - milner being a case in point

3. who cares? your message implies this would somehow be wrong of him?




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17 Dec 2017 15:30:02
I hate the term cast off, it’s disrespectful and ignorant.

De Bruyne and Salah were once chelsea’s “Cast offs”

Coutinho was once inters “cast off”.




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10 Aug 2017 16:59:59
Based on what josh? All that Brazilian league football you've watched? 🙄.




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09 Aug 2017 19:36:30
What? No comment from frankly?!





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23 Feb 2018 07:03:26
If none of the signings fit the system he wishes to play then by that definition they are still poor signings Phil.




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21 Feb 2018 12:28:20
we all know harry really supports chelsea they way he waxes lyrical about them. in the 6 years I've followed this site I can count on 2 fingers the amount of times I've seen him be positive about liverpool players. he also changes his mind more than I change my underpants. can was useless, then more recently he became an absolute beast, now he's trash again according to the latest reports

**queue the defence from negativewalter**.




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21 Feb 2018 12:18:08
MK - how on earth are you qualified to talk about the greatest era of defenders that ever lived when if memory serves right you're about 23 years old?

not knocking your age to be clear, but you've hardly been around long enough to make such a statement?




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20 Feb 2018 12:16:02
He is their player until the end of the season so they can do as they please.

If we had agreed for couts to go in the summer instead of winter but done the deal in jan. would we be saying the same thing about our top 4 run in or latter stages of champs league? of course we wouldn't!




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15 Feb 2018 12:48:01
you also neglect to appreciate firmino and salah's style of play where they contribute defensively (heavily in bobby's case) .

ronaldo is the perfect athlete as well.

why do we have to make comparrisons? let's just enjoy the fact they're at our club.

even after great results we find things to fall out about as fans or reasons for negativity or worry.