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23 Apr 2024 17:57:54


Lets Be Rational has written an article entitled, Has PGMOL turned into an impossible-to-overthrow dictatorship?

23 Apr 2024 19:08:01
Ya think, LBR?

23 Apr 2024 19:46:33
I'm happy to die on this hill, but VAR isn't the issue. There is a huge lack of competency from officials, top to bottom. the officials make basic errors, whether that's communication or failing to have the balls to overturn something.

The powers that be put officials in games they shouldn't be in. How many times have we argued about Manchester refs. They may not be biased but it opens up the question.

The rules are vague so open to interpretation. Handball being the main one.

offside is black and white but i don't think the tech is foolproof. Its reliant on taking measurements when the ball is played but frame rates make it impossible to be accurate. So there is no element of wiggle room as officials are told to keep their flags down. So you can't have the equivalent of umpires call.

The tech can help them, but PGMOL need to get their house in order.

{Ed025's Note - i think your right WYred, the referees are incompetent fools who are using VAR as a crutch mate..

23 Apr 2024 20:49:25
Ed25, a former referee in Mike Dean saying that he decided to not alert a fellow referee to a wrong call in a match via VAR because he doesn't want him to get "more grief". The match referee also happens to be his friend Anthony Taylor. It just show the state of refereeing in this league. Its beyond a joke.

{Ed025's Note - it really is mfahmee, its no wonder people are calling it corruption mate when you hear stories like this , they dont know their arse from their elbow at the PGMOL and its become a total joke..

23 Apr 2024 20:52:14
I think people are to quick to scream corruption after every var call is incorrect. They give the refs to much credit, there not smart enough to make a correct call never mind be able to hide thousands of pounds of bungs. Incompetence is the word people should be using, and it highlights the incompetence of the PGMOL for not getting the structure right at the top. Webb is out of his depth, the team of “elite” refs are all out of their league and it’s just the brown stuff rolling down hill and the fans have to suffer.

23 Apr 2024 21:13:43
PGMOL is a limited company, so it would be interesting if any aggrieved party took them to court for failing to provide a service with reasonable care and skill.

23 Apr 2024 21:21:51
Andy, I just think it's time to call it out in more drastic ways. If not, as I write, it is only get worse before it gets better.

Corruption is a strong word to use, it holds a lot of significance. Incompetence can more easily be swept under the carpet. It's all in the ways we challenge these decisions, and the words used simply hold a lot of power.

I don't necessarily call every decision corrupt - but the way PGMOL handles every case, openly make mistakes and then in secrecy make sure that no one is punished or held responsible, sweeping everything away, what else are we going to call it.
When you see the pundits and journalists being well paid by the mainstream to time and time again side with PGMOL, to not call out the glaringly obvious mistakes, I think corruption is a fair term to use. They are literally getting paid to take part in a machinery that decides who wins and who don't, a lot of economical structures rely on these decisions, and those keeping quiet only add to worsen the conditions.

As I write, not until especially the pundits and journalists grow a pair and quit their comfortable positions, will I trust it to get better.

{Ed002's Note - There is no corruption - an overused and misunderstood word. Who is paying them all off?}

23 Apr 2024 21:44:48
At least Nottingham Forest has discovered that VAR is, in fact, Eric Morecambe.
Cup of tea, Ern?

Seriously though, I agree with Ed002. There is too much incompetence and too many incompetents for it to be corruption.

I'd do away with it tomorrow.

23 Apr 2024 21:55:19
No-one can explain to me why VAR is not run by Artificial Intelligence.

23 Apr 2024 15:50:43
If Slot were to come in are there any Feyenoord players we’d like to see come with him? Geertrudia would tick a lot of boxes one of the Ed’s mentioned him before. Wieffer, Hancko and Timber all well thought of.

23 Apr 2024 16:04:16
That is exactly why we are hiring him. Lack of funds for top players! Slot is a proper YES man.

23 Apr 2024 16:34:55
Good lord, grow up.

23 Apr 2024 16:42:38
Or we could be hiring him because he’s proven capable of winning league titles with clubs that don’t have the same resources as his competitors. Feyenoord aren’t PSV or Ajax and if not for C.V. he probably wins the title with Az Alkmaar. Won a domestic cup and has been to a European final and plays a somewhat similar style of football to Klopp. He ticks a lot of boxes.

23 Apr 2024 16:53:19
What evidence you got of that then Keeper of Bees?

23 Apr 2024 16:57:03
I don't know slot but if we loose with him, it will be very funny.

Have a feeling, we would be laughing stock.


First City with Guardiola, next United with Ten Haag and its our turn now with Slot.

Guess?

23 Apr 2024 17:18:00
So the Beek Keeper knows who we are interviewing, when, our transfer budget and how agreeable Slot would be in sticking to that budget.

{Ed025's Note - dont get stung by other peoples views Rigsby..

23 Apr 2024 17:32:50
Slot was unlucky not to win the title with AZ. He’s proven himself over a sustained period and he’s learnt from the mistake he made at AZ. From how he comes across he seems like he’d fit in well with us, he’s got experience of building and improving a squad, as well as putting his ideas into practice. Importantly he has that personality and charisma that’s needed to be a success. Was reading an article by a Dutch journalist who said Slot would jump at any chance to be Liverpool manager but wouldn’t get out of bed for a team outside the top four (well, specifically he said Brentford) . Slot seems like a good choice given all of the circumstances.

23 Apr 2024 17:34:00
Hive got to stop listening to The Beek Keeper, Ed025. I reckon he/ she gets a buzz out of the attention.

{Ed025's Note - love it Rigsby, hive got to agree with you mate.. :)

23 Apr 2024 17:59:10
VV, don't know too much about "The Sloter" however, I'll take the devil I don' know than the "angels" (Tuchel, DeZerbi, Nagelsmann, Jose etc. ) that I do know.

23 Apr 2024 18:16:48
Slot has proven he can break the monopoly of Ajax and PSV
Not just with Feyenoord but nearly with AZ
He’s young and could be here a while -creating a real legacy.

23 Apr 2024 18:38:55
What evidence has anyone got? Let’s be honest.

23 Apr 2024 18:44:00
So Emery who has won like 5 EL alone would struggle under slightest bit of pressure but some random guy from Dutch league would thrive in England who has never managed one meaningful match in Champions league @ VV 😂. This page is comedy gold!
I honestly thought you would oppose Slot given how you took down every other guy bar Alonso and Amorim
Can’t you guys see it? It’s a clear indication how FSG would like the club to run post Klopp!

23 Apr 2024 19:27:07
No evidence @Irish
People criticize the manager they know and wax lyrical those they have no clue about. If Ed02 hadn’t mentioned his name in one of his reply, this page would have ripped him to shreds by now 😂😂😂😂
Emery is proven at the highest level. Beat Klopp with a simple 4-4-2 and Ever Benega. Took over a Villa team that was fighting relegation literally. Yea but somehow he is not good!

23 Apr 2024 19:27:41
The beekeeper, Emery failed at Arsenal and PSG, so he buckled under the weight of expectations. He’s only done well when there’s less expected of him. Plus he’s just signed a contract renewal. Slot isn’t just some random who has never managed a meaningful champions league game. He managed at least 6 this season, given that group games are meaningful. And I’d stand by what I said about the other candidates, not one of Kovac, De Zerbi, Frank, Fonseca, Nagelsmann, Mourinho, Zidane Tuchel or Potter are remotely worth consideration for multiple reasons.

Alonso, Amorim and Slot were the best candidates no one comes remotely close. One of those has definitely said no (as he’s off to Madrid), one has allegedly said no (not happy with t&c’s or salary) and one has allegedly said yes (Slot) . Given the other options, he’s the best available as he meets the criteria of a manager who is still young, has won a title (would have been two but for C.V. as AZ had Ajax on the ropes) and had demonstrated he can build a team capable of challenging.

23 Apr 2024 19:42:20
I didn’t even know who Slot was until yesterday and the same could be said about Amorim a few weeks ago. There’s managers I’m not keen on coming in but what will be will be.

Whoever does come in will get my full support as it’s not very productive to want the new man to fail from the start all because he wasn’t my first choice.

23 Apr 2024 19:56:55
Emery would struggle under the pressure because he has already struggled under the pressure and been sacked by PSG and Arsenal.
I think most reasonable people will back whoever the club decides to hire as manager, it's only the lunatic fringe that won't and these people really aren't worth our time and energy.

23 Apr 2024 20:22:06
Dont think Beekeepers opinions on this thread make him a lunatic, and he is dead right that if Ed002 hadnt mentioned Slot a couple of weeks ago this site would be in meltdown. Also right about managers like emery, De Zerbi been written off while we all jump on the slot train. having said that let's hope ed002 is right.

23 Apr 2024 20:36:53
Slot might have won league in dutch league but this is akin to Leicester winning here. Sure they played well but it's pretty uncontested with Ajax and psv being so bad.

He may well end up doing well but I suspect it will be three or four years of messing about trying to get 4th and getting to fa cup final a couple of times while consistently telling ourselves 'we are turning a corner'

Let's hope I'm totally wrong but I think this is a manager chosen to work with a limited budget, who won't cost a lot to bring in and who will be interested because it's a significant step up in profile and finances from where he currently is.

All the other coaches rumoured supposedly weren't interested and one can only assume they did not believe coming to Liverpool was better than where they were.

23 Apr 2024 20:50:40
Lunacy is attacking the poster instead of any meaningful contribution to the thread. And I am right Mr VV has been abusing every manager on this forum except Arne Slot 😂😂😂.

23 Apr 2024 21:33:46
Beekeeper, pointing out that Kovac, Frank, Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Mourinho, De Zerbi, Fonseca, Zidane, Potter, Emry or whoever else are entirely inappropriate choices isn’t abuse. Pointing out their failures and shortcomings isn’t abuse. It’s fair criticism. Not one of those managers would be a suitable candidate to replace Klopp for a multitude of reasons.

Kovac, shocking manager, manages to create a toxic environment at every club he manages, Max Kruse and Tomas Muller at Wolfsburg and Bayern were very public about him. In all cases his teams down tools

Mourinho, I mean, do I need to explain? As welcome as a fart in a crowded lift.

De Zerbi, not had any success outside of Ukraine, arguably made Brighton worse. Could start a fight in an empty room.

Fonseca, journeyman manager who has only won titles in the Ukraine for the most dominant team. Same as De Zerbi.

Zidane, outside of Madrid where he had the best squad and the most money he’s done nothing. Also a complete personality vacuum and speaks no English. His style of play is abominable too.

Potter, failed massively at Chelsea and done nothing since to rebuild his rep.

Emry, can’t do it at a big club. End of. Also his teams play extremely negatively.

Nagelsmann, ridiculous ego on the man, is quoted as saying he has no respect for us as a club, failed at Bayern, is failing in the German national team, outside of Bayern little in the way of achievement.

Tuchel, has been sacked from almost every job he’s had since Dortmund. Failed in all of them. Didn’t match Klopp’s achievements in winning a title at Dortmund which shows he’s simply a chequebook manager. Also shocking attitude and extremely negative football,

Frank. Essentially the Roy Hodgson candidate.

None of that is abuse Beekeeper. Unless being critical is now classed as abuse which is as snowflake as it gets.

The best three were Alonso, Amorim and Slot. I’m fine with Slot as there appears to be a good manager there. Were it not for C.V. he’d likely have had two league titles at two different clubs to his name as he had Ajax running.

23 Apr 2024 21:34:01
If the Slot years- or months- are going to be so bad, it's a real shame that so many haven't enjoyed the Klopp years 😂.
Two games away from doing the quadruple and some people were still moaning.

23 Apr 2024 21:20:40
What a brilliant post @Nevada. Exactly my view.

23 Apr 2024 21:58:08
Every manager has to work with a limited budget. Some are more bothered about what we spend than what we do on the pitch or having managers like Klopp and Rafa. Managers that understand more about the city of Liverpool than so many so called fans.

23 Apr 2024 22:00:37
If it’s Slot then I hope he’s what we need and will support him.
One word of caution; Steve McClaren once managed a team to win the Dutch league with a team outside of the so-called big three.

{Ed025's Note - yeah but he spoke fluent Dutch so it was easy for him.. :)

23 Apr 2024 13:46:45
Maybe I've missed something but why isn't Hansi Flick considered? Bayern played some incredible football under him and won the treble. Yes, it didn't work out with the german national team, but I guess managing a club is totaly different to a national team.

23 Apr 2024 13:52:32
Like I said, I think the idea of Herr Flick is just too good an opportunity to miss.

{Ed025's Note - but hes too busy looking at "the fallen madonna with the big boobies" to take the Liverpool job WDW.. :)

23 Apr 2024 13:59:20
Any takers for Unai Emery? he can get us the Europa league for sure.

23 Apr 2024 14:35:31
Emery crumbles under pressure mate. Not for us.

23 Apr 2024 14:42:47
SamiKewell, I actually wanted Emery to take over from BR at the time and I still rate him as a manager and coach. The amount of disrespect he gets from the English media and esp. a lot of these ungrateful Arsenal fans, is what does my head in.

23 Apr 2024 14:45:31
If he doesn't start well, the knives will be out for Flick.
He'll succeed Chris Wilder at the Blades.

{Ed025's Note - as sharp as ever i see Rigsby..

23 Apr 2024 14:46:21
Flick has been out of the game too long. Hasn’t anything to offer as a long term appointment. Plus beyond that short spell as Bayern manager he’s not really done much.

Emery has signed a new contract Sami. Not that it matters as he doesn’t seem to do well at bigger clubs. In fact he only really excels at clubs with Villa in the name. Villarreal, Sevilla and Aston Villa.

23 Apr 2024 15:26:43
Ed25, there are enough ample charms in Liverpool too! Look at brendan rogers.

{Ed025's Note - no arguments from me Lee.. :)

23 Apr 2024 17:48:47
Ed025. Acknowledging the 'Allo 'Allo reference. Brought a smile to my face. Understandably I think that will go over some heads. Probably need to be at least 45 and lived in Britain in the 80s.

{Ed025's Note - thats my target audience RR, when sitcoms were actually funny mate..

23 Apr 2024 18:28:52
Herr Flick is now bald. He goes by the name of Dave these days.