07 Feb 2019 19:47:13
One thing I don't get about this media frenzy is the Clyne debate. "Klopp made a mistake" they say; implying that we've somehow drawn our last two games due to a weakness at right back.

From where I was sitting, Leicester and West Ham didn't score any goals from attacks down our right. The Leicester goal was a stupid mistake from Robbo, compounded by lazy defending from Virgil. Not a dig at those guys, as they've earned the odd mistakes.

The West Ham goal was a cheap free kick by Fabinho, Keita getting blatantly fouled by Noble, and Robertson passing the buck to Keita even though he clearly saw what West Ham were trying to do down his flank from the set piece.

Now forgive me for my ignorance here, but in what world would Clyne have prevented those goals? It's bad form from our normally reliable stars. They are human.

We've had a wobble. City had theirs. This is ours. City bounced back. Let's see if we do. If anything Clyne would've made it worse! Nothing more to discuss 🤷‍♂️.

1.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 20:02:37
Agreed MK. In fact I was thinking earlier about this - yes, we have massively missed Trent the last few games. But I would say we’ve missed his attacking talents more than anything. It’s made us a bit ‘lobsided’ in a way.

Clyne play’s RB, but he isn’t remotely the same type of player as Trent. Also, in my estimation, Milner is a better full back than Clyne - which is probably why Klopp let him go without replacement.

I think Trent not being there has certainly been the problem - missing Clyne (who has played maybe 4/ 5 times 2 seasons) is just a lazy excuse for any ‘issues’ in my opinion.

Sometimes a player just can’t be replaced like for like and you have to make do!

{Ed025's Note - i dont know why you are all looking for excuses, its a blip thats all and it happens..

2.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 20:03:57
I agree. Clyne would have made no difference to either result!

3.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 20:32:48
Just need some players back TAA, then either Gini or Hendo would make us much stronger for the weekend. Then I think we get a much needed break to re group.

4.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 20:48:02
Spot on, MK. It's the Sakho thingy all over again. When we win, he was a non factor, . Whenever we did not win, it's cos Sahko wasn' there. First it was Sahko, then it was Buvac and now it's Clyne. These fans are being "worked" over by the media floating out BS talking points and they don't even bother to do their own research and use facts in their own judgement. Let's start from the beginning.

Clyne had not played a game for LFC since May, 2018 till the Utd game. Where were we in the PL table? We were two points behind City. Clyne was a non factor. We were top of the PL AGAIN, w/ o Clyne in the squad. So now that Clyne got loaned out and we had two draws, not losses, the reason we are struggling is cos Clyne who has been a non factor all season, got loaned out.

What I want to ask these people is would Clyne playing RB have stopped VVD and Milner from being ill? Stopped Bobbie from having a wretched game vs WH or stopped Lovs re-injuring his hamstring? If the answer is no then these people are just blowing smoke up people's behinds and talking out their backside and such people should stop wasting our time. As Ed25 said, it's a blip, end of story.

P/ S: As a RB, Clyne is not better than Hendo, Milner TAA or Fab hence, Klopp was right to get shot of him as he is dreadful.

5.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 20:51:47
I think some of the criticism refers to the restriction that a slower (Milner / Henderson) full back gives the team when it’s specifically set up to allow very advanced wide attacks from both full backs.
Not to mention the lack of coordination with the rest of the defensive unit.
Add to that the knock on effect on the midfield, and the 1-on1 danger that some wide opponents pose and there you go?
It’s just unlucky that the spate of injuries happened together but I think we always knew that our squad strength was not quite there.
I’m really hoping that the return of most of the injured can keep us up there.

6.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 21:18:19
Juicer, here is the prob with part of your argument. Clyne has been irrelevant all season so how did he suddenly become a factor when he is gone whereas he was a NONE factor when he was here for the first 5 months of the season. You cannot discount that fact, man. Secondly, Clyne was let go a week BEFORE TAA got injured. Klopp prolly thought he had enough cover w/ Milner, Fab and even Hendo if it came to it.

Then, they got injured or ill. How could Klopp have known about this before hand and how could he have known that Gomez's absence would last this long? We cannot keep acting like these things did not happen and keep howling to the moon about how Clyne (a poor defender and a non factor all season long) was let go?

Bottom line like you said, is that we were hurt with injuries and bad luck (Hendo, Wiji had knocks b4 the WH game and Lovs and Gomez had setbacks) . It happens and frankly, we have done well to not have lost while they've been gone. Not many teams can survive half your back line and your starting midfield being out REGARDLESS of the squad you have. Time to move on from this Clyne false narrative cos it has NO basis in logic.

7.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 21:39:29
RedWolf, it’s not my argument really mate, I was just playing devils advocate.
Clyne did a job against Man Utd so people are bound to say why not against Palace, Leicester and West Ham?
It’s clear that Clyne wasn’t part of Klopp’s plans unless absolutely necessary and unfortunately it could be said that that time has been the past few weeks.
My problem was the lack of pace we’ve had at RFB in TAA’s absence. At least Clyne does offer that.

Anyway it’s time we all got back together and stopped ripping each other up. The team are not bottlers, they weren’t in 13 / 14 (if anything too bold! ) and let’s bring back that atmosphere and start enjoying it again.

8.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 21:49:48
We have looked really weak at right back for me, despite the fact no goals have come from this side it has given teams an incentive to attack us as we look like we finally have a weakness and beatable. The defence has looked really unstable as well and right back has to be part of that. I think hendo did ok all things considered and Milner less so given that they are not really suited to the role but I don’t think Clyne would have done any better either so it’s just one of them, glad he’s left the club and wish him well but he’s a terrible player.

9.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 21:54:20
I can’t believe Pep spent £60mil on yet another winger (Mahrez) and neglected to buy a back up to Fernandinho. What a huge mistake that is!
I also can’t believe Utd didn’t buy any centre backs or Arsenal get just one decent defender at the club.
I can’t believe Spurs didn’t buy anyone and let Dembele (their best midfielder for me) go for a song.
The list goes on and on with all clubs.
The fact is Clyne was not part of our plans, on a high wage and because he wasn’t part of the plans he asked to leave.
We have 4 players at the club who can all play the position just as well or better than Clyne. 5 if you count Robbo.
We’ve just been unlucky with illness and injury of late, nothing to do with a lack of right backs.

10.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 22:54:26
Its about a balanced team with players playing in positions they are comfortable at.

Defensively against Crystal Palace, Leicester and West Ham we were not solid compared to the form we had shown in our previous games.

There can be a lot of factors such as the extra pressure of winning games, players having a small dip in form etc, but the difference defensively was we had a midfielder playing at the right back position.

Take the game against Manchester United for example, with Clyne I thought we were more solid at the back as we had a balanced defense. Also against Brighton, with TAA I thought we were much more organised at the back.

11.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 22:55:26
No prob, Juicer. By the way, i was not ripping you apart. i was just stating a point of view that it seemed you were missing. The thing is I am sick and tired of people spouting/ parroting the same old revisionist/ hindsight nonsense put out there by the media about Clyne suddenly being the reason we have drawn two games whereas these same people did not know he existed prior to his leaving. Pretty sure had we won these games, Clyne would have been a non issue and a non starter for these guys and these same fans would not have cared, as they have NEVER cared about him all season. Either way, let's get behind the team full go till the end of the season. YNWA, man!

12.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 22:59:15
Clyne was crap that’s why he’s been sold! We have better at the club. Mark Noble didn’t foul keita it was a well worked block. And eds25 is right it’s a blip that’s all!

13.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 23:19:53
A blip. An unbeaten blip!

14.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 03:32:27
Fact is that noone has a clue whether the same scoreline would’ve occurred if Clyne had played. He couldn't shoot, cross or tackle but he did have pace which may, or may not, have changed a few scenarios in our favour.
Also, as utterly unlikely as it sounds, he couldve had a worldie and run past six players before bulletting into the top corner.
My point is that it is pure speculation and opinion from pundits and posters alike but the scoreline remains as it is.

15.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 03:57:23
I think it was more to do with Milner having to be a RB instead of being in midfield, is what a lot of the griping is about.

{Ed001's Note - I would rather have Milner at right back than Clyne, he made the goal with his cross while Clyne would have punted it into row Z.}

16.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 08:17:32
Like A Virgil, it is not even opinion punditry nor speculation. It is pure fallacy, rooted in complete bluster and drivel. As I have laid out on this thread, if Clyne was a non-factor for 98% of the season before he left then how can he be a factor now when he was sold or loaned out? Cos we drew two games? Those two statements cannot be correct at the same time hence, total crap logic from people who are only interested in creating chaos, end of.

17.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 13:15:14
I think its quite clear, redwolf, that they have suggested that if Clyne had stayed and played those two draws at right back we might have won them. You clearly disagree with it but it is still an opinion whether you like it or not.
Look into the multiverse and there's a parallel reality where Clyne played for us versus Leicester and scored the winner and Alan Shearer smugly told the world why Nathaniel should always start before Milner, Fab and Hendo at right back.
We ousted Clyne so we will never know if he could have affected the game but opinions can be based on suppositions which means neither you or Shearer are correct or wrong.

18.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 14:12:24
{Ed025's Note - i don't know why you are all looking for excuses, its a blip that's all and it happens.
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I won't even call it a blip ed025, we didn't lose, we drew with a very competitive strong sides who have taken all 3 points from other top 6 sides .
The expectation is ludicrously high. they expect the team to win every game. Not possible, Fergie in United glory days when no one was even close to them could n't do it.