28 Dec 2018 15:12:24
Regarding the salah debate

He did dive vs Newcastle yes

Today players dive is it right no it's not, but salah had also tried to stay on his feet whilst getting manhandled and I've often said he should have went down as refs don't give fouls unless you do

Let's hope players stop using there arms to tackle.

{Ed002's Note - Tried to stay on his feet eh?}


1.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 15:20:31
He did not try and stay on his feet!

Was there contact. yes

Was it a soft penalty. yes

End of the day it was our first pan in 424 days so we needed some luck.


2.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 15:30:14
He did stay on his feet when he got clipped against Bournemouth, i believe it was. He then went passed 2 defenders scored regardless.


3.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 15:35:51
Would it have been considered a foul outside of the penalty box? Definitely not. Salah simply played along with it the moment he felt the slight tap on the arm. You can't really say it was a dive because the FA defines it as one where there was no contact made; and here there clearly was.

{Ed002's Note - That is how they define "simulation". I am sure that you can find some other definitions to help Salah.}


4.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 15:43:16
Bang on random red. He could have dived in that game, the guy was trying to bring him down.

Regarding the Newcastle penalty, well, there was contact designed to put salah off balance, he fell as all strikers are told to BTW and he tucked the pen away.

There are players we regard as cheats, erm deli Ali is one, can't think of many but mo salah is not one of them. Had the Newcastle defender not put mo off balance we all know that he has the skill to pass them and put it in the net.

I don't really get the debate, it was a soft penalty but a penalty all the same. Its not like he had his back to goal out on the goal line and going nowhere. Mo salah had space and was running at the Newcastle goal. definitely penalty.

{Ed002's Note - He has certainly not been told to dive by Klopp - quite the opposite.}


5.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 16:00:29
The Newcastle defender was stupid to use his hands and to give Salah an opportunity to go down and to give the ref the decision of giving a penalty

Any blame here rests with the defender for being an idiot and not doing his job properly.

Ref said it was a penalty and review panel didn’t sanction Salah.

Much ado about nothing really.


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6.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 16:02:09
If that was against us we'd all be going mad.
Not a pen for me and Salah should have not gone down. We'd have won the game easily anyway and he doesn't need to be getting himself a reputation (or it'll be 2 years before we get another one) .


7.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 16:39:07
I really believe someone up the foodchain has told the refs to be aware of the little pulls on attackers shoulders. First 5-6 games nothing was called, I remember shouting at the telly when Salah was brought off balance like that for the umpteenth time v Brighton or maybe Leicester.

Last month or two there have been a few calls on this particular offense. The call v Newcastle was obvoiusly a bit soft, but I do think brings something to the game if the dribblers are given this protection, be it Salah, Hazard, Sané or whomever.


8.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 16:48:34
He went down pretty easily under minimal contact. This is why i don't get involved in criticising the zaha's and alli's of the world, because I'm aware players in my team do it too. To defend it blindly and then moan about others just shows ignorance or stupidity.

{Ed0333's Note - I’m not quite sure why this is a debate? The defender tugged Salah back in the box while he was in full flow. It’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch so it’s a penalty. It doesn’t matter if it’s soft or not. Technically the ref made a correct call.


9.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 16:49:37
Too right I'd be going mad. At Robertson for pulling back a player running head down into Van Dijk!


10.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 17:09:28
Was there contact? Yes.

Was it a soft penalty? Yes.

Did the contact force him to the ground? No.

It is a dive in my opinion.


11.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 17:12:16
Ed0333 I agree mate as I’m a red but it’s just a case of different opinions I’m afraid. Ed002 for example I quite right in saying it was soft. If it happened against us then we are all pissed off. There was contact and in today’s game most players go down but was it enough to make his legs buckle under him probably not. Either way a pen was awarded, 3 points in the bag end of. Let’s hope we can continue the good form.


12.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 17:25:23
There was contact and he had every right to go down. All this Salah bashing anyone would think it was a Newcastle fan page. Leave the guy alone he works wonder for us but lately everyone gives him a hard time. He didn’t celebrate enough, he went down to easily, grow up and be supporters of the best god damn team in the world.

{Ed0333's Note - I agree with you Bfrankie we should be supporting Salah not castigating him. Salah was fouled, he went down and gave the referee a decision to make, the referee made the decision in our favor.


13.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 18:57:02
Imagine that was at halfway and salah is breaking on goal. He gets tugged like that, every ref would be playing advantage if he continues to run, or calling the foul if he goes down. I have zero doubts about that. And also many refs would probably give him a yellow in that situation as he is well behind the attacking and trying to halt play.


14.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 18:53:02
Spot on, Ed0333. The so called "holier than thou" crew should give it a rest cos of all the strikers in the PL, Salah is the one who tries his best to stay on his feet the most. IMO, it is a soft penalty or another ref would not have given it and could have gone either way.

Having said that, my issue is with the people who keep shifting the idea of what a pen should be or not be, based on what is convenient for them. Firstly, Big Scam said that "a soft penalty does not exist" when he got one when Calvert Lewin flopped to the ground vs Everton last season upon minimal contact.

Shearer said that cos Karius grazed Kane's foot (in reality Kane dragged his foot over Karius' shoulder to draw the contact), Kane had "a right to go down". Now I don't recall any inquests into both of these incidents BUT when it comes to Salah, it is different even tho the circumstances are the same. So now, Salah does not have a "right" to go down BUT Kane and Lewin did? Salah gets investigated for diving but Kane and Lewin didn't even tho the circumstances are identical? The pundits and authorities need to make up their minds and stick to one story instead of continuously shifting the goalposts to fit their narratives.

{Ed0333's Note - it was only a matter of time people turned on Salah.


15.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 19:08:30
Yeah I get you ed02, klopp is about fair play and I love him for it. Yet, salah has had many managers who would have blasted him for not going down after being fouled in the box.

A defender can use his shoulder to put an attacker off balance but he can't reach out and do it with his hand. These cbs are incredibly strong and mo was going at pace. The push will have put him right off balance, I don't blame salah one tiny bit.

After what happened at Bournemouth, when he was fouled deliberately inside the box, much worse than Wednesday. And mo still had a lot to do to finish it but he stayed on his feet and did just that I don't think he can be called a cheat. The Newcastle defender who fouled salah is the cheat.

I also think mo is not mucking about when it comes to his shoulder. I think that had a big part in his decision to go down. Defenders have been niggling his shoulder all season. After loosing out on a European Cup final due to a foul on his shoulder I think he is being over protective of it and I think that IS something klopp will have told him to do.

{Ed002's Note - He is a diver, has been doing it for years. Klopp has castigated him publically for it in the past. At Roma in a game against Empoli he was book and subjected to chants from opposition supporters about his cheating for weeks after. All of these miserably inadequate excuses are as embarrassing as his cheating.}


16.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 19:24:36
This problem has been created by poor referees. Not giving penalties when fouls are committed inside the box. And then telling players I would have given a penalty if you had gone down. its pretty obvious what would start to happen. If a players commits a foul it's a foul. just because it's in the area the ref rarely gives it unless the player goes down.


17.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 21:12:52
Fair enough, I didn't know that. Thinking of strikers who don't dive is harder than thinking of one's that do tbf. Sadly it's part of the game. In Newcastle he WAS fouled though so the dive was kinda justified, no penalty would have been given if he has stayed up and we would have been robbed of a penalty because salah WAS fouled in the box.


18.) 28 Dec 2018
28 Dec 2018 22:46:18
He dived end of, but we've had plenty go against us even worse i. e. The 2 spurs got at anfield last season. They made salahs one look stonewall, I'm sure we'll have one just as bad given against us in the coming weeks so don't worry what the media say there clueless and biased toward certain teams.