09 Nov 2018 09:02:48
I’ve seen a few posts further down questioning if Klopp should go if he fails to win something this year. Not for me in any month of Sunday’s.

There will come a point when it becomes a valid question and that for me would be should he fail to win something next season.

Ed2, I have to say I’m surprised how much you deride the fans for trashing players and in the same breath, deride our fan base for supporting Klopp and showing patience in what we’re building towards.

We were so far away from challenging the top of the league when he joined and we are assembling a great team under him but the reality is that city’s squad has an embarrassment or riches outside their starting 11 and we’re not there yet. That will take further investment and time.

I can’t think of a single manager that could come in and deliver that title above Klopp. It’s a tall order in the most competitive top league in the world.

{Ed002's Note - I don’t think the players deserved to be trashed on a weekly fickleness basis. Alexander-Arnold has a good game, he is worth £100M and the future of English football. He has an off week and the fans want that mother out of “our” club as soon as possible. Klopp is responsible and has failed to deliver year in and year out. If the fans are happy with this then there is no problem.}

1.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 09:29:21
It's ridiculous. People has such short memories. Every manager has had the odd embarrassing loss. It is hardly the end of the world. We have qualified for the champions league only 3 times this decade. Twice under Klopp. We are in an excellent position. (Joint 2nd in the league is phenomenal) We are still in control of our champions league group. Beat PSG and we go through. Even if we lose it is still in our hands!

We should not be hounding the players. Get behind the team and support them whatever happens. We have it so good at the moment. imagine if you were supporters of struggling teams. we should all have some perspective. Poor Ed025 is an Everton fan ;)

Just remember guys. It could be so much worse.

2.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 09:47:31
Couldn't agree more 87.

To be honest, it's not great football right now but, based on what he's done and how, I wouldn't change Klopp for any manager.

3.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 11:06:18
Failed to deliver what, exactly, Ed002? Trophies? The league title? Sorry I just don’t see how you have come to the conclusion that he has failed. And given your implication that Liverpool could perhaps do better, who exactly would you suggest?
What more could he have done than he has already? He has improved us year-on-year, and we are a FAR better team and squad than the one he inherited. It is only a matter of time before we win something.
My only gripe with Klopp so far is his regular early exit from the domestic cups, it was also the biggest issue with Benitez as far as I am concerned.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp has failed to deliver any success at Liverpool at all to date - No League Cup, no FA Cup, no Europa League, no Premier league, no Champions League and no Frieght Rover Trophy. I am surprised that comes as a shock to you but feel free to ask about any other plain truths you are struggling with.

I appreciate that Liverpool is in transition as far as you are concerned.}

4.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 11:21:01
No mention of transition whatsoever, your definition of ‘transition’ sounds like many people’s idea of improving the team - year-on-year, I might add.
Compared to where we were in October 2015, we are in a much better place as a team and fan base, and Klopp has got us back to being a Champions League regular again, with a real chance of winning something this season. I would say most fans would describe that as success, not failure. That is a plain truth, something you are, in fact, struggling to see.

{Ed002's Note - No, the owners, the board and the fans want the success of winning, not some vague nonsense about being better. Liverpool must be the only club in the world where fans like you like celebrating being second or losing - but are of course improving each year. It is pretty pitiful to read posts like yours.}

5.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 11:23:52
I agree I don't possibly see how you can say Klopp has failed. We were a mess when he took over. we have improved each yr. yes we have lost 3 cup finals but wait and see where we are when he leaves. if he still hasn't won anything then we can reassess the situation. I don't see anyone saying pochettinto has failed at spurs and klopp has achieved more than him in the same length of them.

{Ed002's Note - Celebrating failure yet again I guess? The owners must be over the moon pissing all of that money away in search of success which they have not gotter.}

6.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 11:52:09
Guys, come on, Ed002 is right. We have won nothing for 6 years.

Wigan and Swansea have won trophies more recently than us.

1 League cup in 12 years is not success. Man City won more than that last season alone!

Im sure the trophies will come again soon, but if Klopp was to leave us right now. He would not (and should not) go down as a successful Liverpool Manager.

7.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 12:18:49
No, Lamborini, Ed002 is not right. He is completely wrong, and clearly prefers to just wind up Liverpool fans on here instead of actually watching us.
Where are Wigan and Swansea now? League 1 and The Championship, respectively? Didn’t Wigan get relegated in the same season as their FA Cup win? That ‘success’ was clearly crucial in improving those club’s fortunes.
It is not that those trophies have no value - they do - but they are not the only determiner of failure or success.

8.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 14:54:12
Makes me laugh people judging Klopp as a Manager who has been heavily invested in. Up until January, without looking at the numbers, I would expect he wasnt far off breaking even in his time here. Yes, there has since been a conscious decision to invest in quality but Can Klopps team really be judged yet given the majority of his expensive buys have been in the last 10 months and also given that as it happens we have currently dropped six points since the start of the season and its mid November. As I recall, City spent quite heavily before not winning the title in Lord Guardiolas first season! Klopp for me gets this season for free and has to win something nest season. Anything more is a bonus!

9.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 12:16:59
Respectfully Ed2, it’s not about celebrating 2nd. It’s about recognising progress and being realistic it takes time to topple a dominant force.

The first few years in terms of competing for the league were about trying to catch up with the quality of Man City and close that gap. Yes we’ve seen some big money spent but at the same time other teams have pumped serious cash, namely Utd and City.

Progress should be recognised. The ultimate goal is to the win the title and as I said at some point Klopp will have to answer for that failure but for me that is at he end of next season.

I agree fans can be fickle about players but they can be equally fickle about Klopp so I don’t understand your issue with a show of support and patience.

{Ed002's Note - Endless years and endless money and maybe something will come of it.}

10.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 13:43:52
Two whole years is hardly year in year out.

{Ed002's Note - Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola? They arrived and they won. Klopp, now relying on fans discounting the first season and trying to justify his failures since then. It is getting rather embarrassing again.}

11.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 15:27:48
I would much rather watch our games than the stuff that is put out at Old Trafford even though they won a couple of trophies a season or two ago.

Klopp has got us to two European finals and the team is continuing to improve.

It’s tough to win the EPL but as long as we compete and give it a good go that’s all we can really ask.

12.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 15:28:59
Maybe if we'd of played Southampton and not City in the carling Cup final, maybe if we'd played ajax and not sevilla in the europa league final, maybe if we played Monaco and not real madrid in the champions league final then things would be very different, fine margins and luck play a major part in football.