23 Jul 2018 10:39:51
I can't believe some of the comments and thumbs down views on here . Jürgen brought Loris to the club after his performances in Germany . Ok for whatever reason he has not been able to replicate for us. But to hurl vile abuse at him and troll everything he does is unacceptable. Getting a negative response for pointing this out shows the mentality of those concerned. There is a massive difference between criticism for a poor performance and the abuse the lad is receiving . YNWA should give you clue . How about it.

1.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 11:43:38
The vile abuse isn’t going to help the lad. How many of us can sit here and honestly say we’ve never made a mistake? The people abusing him need to take a long look at themselves. It’s pitiful and pathetic.

2.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 11:48:52
Couldnt agree more! These muppets abusing him should disasociate themselves from the club. Absolute disgrace nobody knows what the guy is going through!

3.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 11:58:01
Well said. I have said that he's not good enough right from when we purchased him but I'd never abuse the player.
The persons who are abusing him should hang their heads in shame. If man or women enough they should send a tweet or message to apologise.

4.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 12:06:11
It's not acceptable the abuse but sadly in current society it won't stop. The club need to take him out of the lime light. Though its hard whilst Alisson is on holiday.

Everything if he does is being hyper analysed on the pitch and the social media posts he posted aimed at those hurling this abuse at him are only going to motivate the persons to continue.

Sadly due to the way some fans act I can't see anyway back for Karius. He needs a loan or some move away from the British media to kick start his career.

5.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 12:19:47
at the end of the day, he's been replaced and the the issue has been dealt with. I see no sense in continuing to abuse him when it's clear he's no longer going to be playing (or abusing in him the first place for that matter)

6.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 12:46:56
I assure you Walter, if Karius was aware of it the constant, low level abuse dating from, as you admit, before he had even done anything (never mind anything wrong) is just as destructive as the louder louts after a horror show.

Don't believe me? Ask the parents of children who have killed themselves after years of bullying when schools took no action because children weren't coming home covered in blood and bruises, or heard making overt slurs against protected characteristics. Maybe ask the few whose attempts at dying failed what it was like being constantly told you weren't good enough, weren't right, didn't fit and and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.

What you, and many others like you do Walter is called bullying. Luckily they are unlikely to directly receive your bullying attempts but it's still bullying. You thank that it's okay because it's not done with anger, but it's not. You think it's okay because they probably won't ever see it, but when enough people do it they do see it so it's up to everyone as an individual to be responsible and make sure the volume doesn't build.

It's bullying. It's abusive. It's not okay.

7.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 12:58:34
hjile couldn't agress more its not okay and just because its said to be part of modern society that does not make it okay either it needs to be moved away from football, from all sport, and from society as a whole.

8.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 14:06:34
Just ask Robert Enkel and what was done to him before he woke up one morning and took his own life.

9.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 16:07:52
I get your point hijkle but to call me a bully is not on. You know nothing about me.
I am have done anti bully campaigns on nemerous occasions unfortunately not so much the last 5 years or so. I have helped probably more people than everyone on this site combined to stop bulling. I've literally took beatings to prevent people from being hurt.
Just because I've said from the start I don't rate someone doesn't make me a bully. I have never sent any hate to any player buy any means. I just state my opinions and if you actually read my posts I am always polite and never hurtful.

10.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 16:43:16
I didn't call you a bully. I said you were bullying. There is a difference, mostly in intention.

Sadly, your closing comments show you have entirely missed the point so to put it plainer:

The lanuage you use to bully is irrelevant to bullying. You can call your best mate an ugly person and not be bullying them. You can use polite words to tell someone you want their entire family to burn to death. The bullying comes from your constant, consistent, unmoving commitment to not only writing a man off but ensuring that you are vocal about it at every opportunity is the problem. The language you use is utterly irrelevant. And please note I say 'you' but it is far from just you - it is a huge problem in general. But you have chosen this thread as another chance to glory in your infalliable committment to putting the man down, and so we have entered this discussion.

And again, as I said, bullying isn't get getting beaten up. It doesn't have to be overt and in your face. The worst bullying is the persistent, hard to detect but constant and inescapable digging. If you're such a committed anti-bullying campaigner, you should know that and hopefully having it pointed out will hope you recognise that even the very best of us can inadvertently fall foul of our worst instincts.

If you'd like a test of your actions, think on this - how would you feel about me talking about the child in your photo the way you (and others) have discussed Karius from the start one day? If the day he joined we all said he wasnt good enough? If we jumped incessantly over him on his worst days and went out of our way to ruin his best? If we never game him a moments credit for his greatest but never gave him a moments rest from his worst, even at the point where his worst really wasnt bad at all? If he joined a public body and had people from the first moment they heard commit themselves to the concept of him being unsuitable and letting everyone know the every chance they got, without him ever even having a chance to do anything about it because nothing would change their view?

I can't change your behaviour, and I make no judgements about you as a person because I don't know you. But you (and again I point out not just you, it's a common place occurrence now) should be aware that the constant way you put down some people, even if they aren't reading it, can at best be easily perceived as something that you are very against in theory. Just think about it.

11.) 23 Jul 2018
23 Jul 2018 19:05:04
I appreciate your point and I have read many of your posts and you seem like a decent person.
My daughter is in the picture, you are free to say as you want about her. The difference is if you did I am 99% sure what you would say is untrue and i would tell you so.
You are correct there are different degrees of bulling. And just to clarify I genuinely have done the stuff I stated. Not trying to be some hero but wanted to try and show a different side of me.
When I post it's just an opinion maybe I am right maybe wrong. I am not out to be nasty I am just stating what I believe is true. Its not wrong to say this player is not good enough it's an opinion. I don't use the bullying type of language to put the player down.
Anyhow I wish you well and I hope we all get to enjoy the season ahead. All the best.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think you have said anything to reproach yourself for walter, as far as im concerned you have been expressing an opinion so whats so wrong with that?, i like hjikle and agree with most of what he says usually but i believe he is way out of context with the bullying thing, when players join a high profile club and enjoy the trappings of extreme wealth, lifestyle and notoriety then they are expected to perform, if they dont they will have people questioning their ability and performance but that goes with the territory mate...its called banter and registering an opinion and is in no way tantamount to bullying unless its abusive or personal, there has been nasty stuff said about karius an indeed lovren and that is way out of order, but your posts dont come across that way to me, i think your a decent bloke who tells it like it is most of the time and belive your getting some unfair stick..

12.) 24 Jul 2018
24 Jul 2018 05:10:52
Appreciate that Ed 25. I guess everybody has their opinions. I won't be loosing any sleep over it.
All the best good sir.

{Ed025's Note - your welcome mate..

13.) 24 Jul 2018
24 Jul 2018 08:56:59
Like I said walter, I don't doubt you and I make no assumptions about you as a person. And apologies for mixing up son and daughter, the picture on my phone is about a cm across and I thought I remmebered you mentioning a son at some point - apparently not.

14.) 24 Jul 2018
24 Jul 2018 11:42:24
to be fair i think neg walter gets more than his share of abuse on here ( cos of his negative opinions) he's always pretty respectful in his replies.

15.) 24 Jul 2018
24 Jul 2018 11:50:53
You are correct I have a son who is 2. I let my daughter choose the profile pic and she choose this one.
No hard feelings and wish you all the best.