04 Jun 2018 19:49:31
Pretty shocking to read that Karius was in fact concussed in the CL final after Ramos's elbow. Out of 30 tests he tested positive in 26 of them as being concussed.

Even worse is that UEFA have not done anything at all about the incident. Really hope the guy can bounce back, thought he was really improving leading upto the final.

I wouldn't say sell him at all.

{Ed0333's Note - wow that’s an astounding revelation. Maybe Simon Mignolet should be tested aswell concussion for the last 5 years seems plausible to me.

1.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:00:01
He was lucid enough to do other things and continue playing. Has he been concussed all season?

{Ed025's Note - i must have missed the blow that seen firmino, milner and henderson concussed into stagnation..

2.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:05:30
So what should UEFA do? If he had any concussion during the match, He shouldn’t have continued! I am not sure if he was physically ill before the match? Why blame UEFA for conceding 3 goals?

{Ed025's Note - as far as i know he was not ill harry....well the press reports said that he had not caught anything on the night.. :)

3.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:11:57
I certainly wasn’t blaming UEFA for the goals, but retrospective action should have been taken in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - yes jonesy.... on the team sheet it had karius down as a keeper, which is a serious case of fraud in my book mate..

4.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:18:13
Concussion is no joke. It's more than just a headache. If that's true about karius then he should be cut some slack as it's a very serious brain trauma and can cause a large array of visual and mental symptoms.

{Ed025's Note - your right nevada, lets make him player of the year and guarantee his place in the starting line up for all of next season..

5.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:20:27
It's in the past now. Let's just forget about it. No need to be looking for excuses.

{Ed025's Note - exactly max..

6.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:23:56
Ramos now had two fouls that he should have been sanctioned for. Maybe UEFA should spend a little less time living it up and pocketing bribes, and a little more time paying attention to the actualities of the games that are played under their control. Seems assaults on players are now permitted in European competitions.

{Ed025's Note - come on guys you have to stop with all these petty excuses, you were beaten by the better side on the night so just leave it at that and move on..

7.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:25:14
The real fraud was suggesting Ramos was a footballer.

{Ed025's Note - the history books will say different mate..

8.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:26:50
Ed25 and 33 killing it! 😂😂😂😂😂.

9.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:27:45
Absolutely. Stop looking for excuses. I am worried if the club want to take the fans to their side by this story as they are not buying a top class keeper. Could be!

10.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:27:56
If Karius was concussed then he should signalled to the bench or thr ref to stop the game and get Mignolet on. He didnt! The rest is history.

{Ed025's Note - i thought i seen him waving to the bench when bale hit that speculative shot from 40 yards irish...well his arms were flapping..

11.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:30:33
It is very serious - concussion.

If he is concussed so easily it begs the question about whether he should retire to be honest. Other sportsmen have done it and he will be wealthy enough and young enough to change careers.

If I was in his shoes, I’d quit. Life is too short.
Sending my support to Karius, wish him well and hopes he gets the right advice about his future 🤝.

12.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:36:43
If we had won that match 4-3, no body would utter a word of concussion. 😂😂😂 damn those tinted glass!

13.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:38:06
Often Irish, the person concussed is not the first person to realise, they’re usually the last 🤝.

{Ed025's Note - can of worms that ron...everton players will be claiming they got punched in every game last season now..

14.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:39:11
And why should mild concussion mean he should quit? I’m not sure there’s any logic to that mate.

15.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:41:13
The result is history, but if the effects of concussion are still detectable on Karius then he should think about retirement.

{Ed025's Note - im sure all liverpool fans think the same ron..

16.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:41:33
UEFA can't really be expected to do anything when the player got back up, no one noticed the head injury in real time and thus he wasn't assessed.

I'm surprised if he was still testing for it 9 days after that he wasn't more obviously dazed.

{Ed025's Note - fazed i think you mean SR..

17.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:48:39
The game is over.
We lost.
End of story.
No excuses.
I’ve watched the incident several times over and, personally speaking, I don’t think Ramos did it intentionally.
Stop with the “poor us” thing. Man up and take it.

{Ed025's Note - im with you tris..

18.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:48:59
Only a dinosaur would laugh off the effects a concussion would have on someone.

{Ed025's Note - if it were true and not sheer fabrication made by an inept keeper who is making pathetic excuses for the worst performance in CL history...then i would agree dexter..

19.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 20:59:42
I think more of this is being made of than is the case. I hope I’m not wrong. I also this isn’t a means of justifying keeping him as no 1 goalie. I don’t mind him staying but we need a better starter.
Anyway, mild concussion is ususally not problematic and people generally make a full recovery after a short time. Blows to the head are quite common, for example repetitive heading of the ball, tackling in rugby or boxing. Generally in other sports where contact is far more aggressive effects do not require removal from the game. Of course over many years repeated hits can be a problem but in Karius case he should hopefully make a full recovery.
As was mentioned if there was cause for concern it could/ should have been dealt with immediately.

{Ed025's Note - spot on razor mate..

20.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:10:42
Thanks Ed25 . of course evertonians are an exception as for them there’s no such thing as brain injury 😏.

{Ed025's Note - whoever appointed allardyce should see that brain specialist razor..

21.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:19:30
I hate to say but I called it. Said something like "Madrid have modric Kroos Ronaldo Bale and benzema who can all score easily from outside the box and I don't trust our keeper, he has improved blah blah blah"

22.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:19:06
Lads it's gone we weren't good enough on the night to beat Real let it go. Let's just be proud of our progression and how well our team did last season and by the way things seem to be shaping up let's look forward to some exciting times ahead! We have a very good manager who has us playing exciting expansive football, we have a very good starting 11 with one of the most potent attacks in world football and just look at the players we have added and are trying to sign! We are on the up, there will be plenty more chances for glory!

23.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:23:10
Ed25 I think you’ll be a lot happier this season. No higher up the table mind, but a lot happier.

{Ed025's Note - im not expecting miracles razor, but i do want a bit of entertainment mate...unlike last season..

24.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:33:33
I agree with the opinions expressed here about concussions but I find it very strange that the story has come out now. The concussions and the tests happened over a week ago. Very strange, and in fact very convenient, if it turns out that we will not be able to get any of our top GK targets (Alisson, Oblak, Cilissen) and we'll have to settle for Butland (which may have been the objective all along) . Really appears to be a public relations exercise by the club to soften public dismay in case Butland is the only GK signed and Karius is kept.

{Ed025's Note - if thats true im going to make my famous liverpool soup tomorrow ArAy......i start with a laughing stock..

25.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:44:18
ArAy that’s what I’m worried about.

26.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:49:04
Razor, you use the example of rugby. Professional rugby players have quit because of repeated blows to the head causing concussion. 🤝.

27.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:54:13
I don’t think anyone is going on about the result we know what happened. It’s more the fact the injury he sustained during the game that is what the conversation is.

{Ed025's Note - alleged injury you mean jonesy..

28.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:55:13
Martin Skrtel had 13 stitches on his head during a match recently and played like a warrior and was voted the player of the match! Hugo Lloris had a collision and played through out with a bandage and I remember he had steller! Stop making excuses! We lost! Move on.

29.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 22:12:50
I understand that people don't know how serious concussion is because it's not very well publicised.

But don't dismiss it. I'm not making excuses for karius at all, it was a shaky performance even before his errors. But for people to treat that condition so dismissively is shocking.

Untreated concussion causes (amongst others) visual impairment, delusions (auditory and visual) disorientation, psychosis, aggression, vomiting, and in a whopping 53% of cases violent suicide.

It is not something to be dismissed

I'm not saying karius should get player of the season Ed what I'm saying is he should not be villain of the century (if the concussion diagnosis is correct) . If people are mocking the condition I suggest they read up on it.

You wanna say he's a rubbish keeper, he is. But don't dismiss a serious medical condition. If he'd broken his leg and carried on nobody would be giving him shit, I don't see how this is any different.

30.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 22:16:24
Harry no-one is making excuses. We know we lost 🤝.

31.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 22:22:43
Ron if you read my post I spoke about the difference between a single and repeated blows especially if the single blow causes mild concussion. From what is being said this is certainly no reason for him to consider quitting. There are also boxers who make a living of getting pounded on the head who don’t have problems. My point is that according to what's been written there’s been an overreaction. If Karius has a visuo spatial problem then it wouldn’t be selective. He wouldn’t be able to do things like take a goal kick or walk over and make gestures to the crowd while apologising. I think we should just move on with the whole thing. Now he will have to answer questions about his mistakes and the concussion.

32.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 22:19:31
Razor comparing a header to concussion is like comparing a step in tackle to a leg break.

They're not even close to the same thing. If karius didn't have concussion then the discussion is moot but a concussion is not trivial. I've seen the brain CT scans. I've conducted a few myself. It is true that people recover but it's not quick and usually takes a couple of months and concussions are cumulative too, more than 3 in a calender year in US sports means you have to take forces medical leave for 5 months.

It's not trivial.

I'm not saying karius is that bad, I'm not his primary physician, I'm simply saying that people are making a very serious condition seem very trivial.

33.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 22:39:43
Nevada as someone who has done many hundreds of scans, treated many head injuries and operated on many brains I think I understand what consussion is.

34.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 22:53:42
Razor, tapping into your expertease, isn’t it the case that the effect is cumulative?
So a relatively minor blow can have more profound effects after multiple previous blows?
What I’m suggesting is maybe Karius is at that tipping point after multiple previous blows. If it’s still detectable all this time later, is that not a worrying sign?
I’ve no experience of any of this, but just my observations of previous cases. Happy to hear your opinion 🤝.

35.) 04 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 23:07:09
Ron yes you can get a cumulative effect but there would be evidence that he had been hit significantly many times before, and he would have likely showed signs or symptoms at some point even prior to the game. The doctors said that it was ‘possible’ his injury could have affected performance. They are being non commital because they can’t be conclusive. It’s difficult to prove when he only made two isolated errors and appeared to be normal otherwise. Nobody is suggesting he didn’t have a head injury. But to suggest this is the reason for conceding the two goals is spurious to say the least.

36.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 00:35:55
Out of curiosity razor what is your profession? In the UK and US a theatre physician does not also conduct CT scans of the brain. That would would be done by a Radiographer who would then be sent to a primary care physician who would then decide whether or not it requires surgery and refer it to a surgeon.

I'm not doubting what you say just curious as to what a massive workload one doctor must have in your country as they are required to do the job of a Radiographer, reporting radiologist, and surgeon all as part of their role. I genuinely feel for that poor over worked physician.

37.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 06:55:24
Former neurosurgeon now ER. No I don’t mean physically put the patient on the bed (although sometimes have to help if a patient is sedsted) but order and interpret them. Anyway enough about me. We should probably get back to the footie.

38.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 07:14:40
Anyway, Karius made at least one really good save from a powerful shot long after the first goal, but before their third. He may have been concussed, but I don’t think it affected the result 🤝.

{Ed025's Note - i had a lot of respect for the guy when he held his hands up and said it was his fault and he messed up ron, that has gone out the window now with this latest load of pony, i think he has been ill advised and has lost all credibility..

39.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 08:17:57
Lets hope all this has a good ending and the team comes back stronger and brings home a few trophies next season.