08 Jul 2018 09:29:09
Morning Ed1, hope you're well? Can I ask whether you think we'll go back in for Fekir or if you think we've moved on from him

I only ask because everything Aulas keeps saying suggests it's over.

Thanks in advance.

{Ed001's Note - nothing has changed as far as I am aware.}

1.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 10:15:00
He said the same thing about Lacazette last summer. The guy just loves to talk rubbish to anyone willing to listen.

2.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 10:19:41
Sorry to jump in edd001 so do you think we still might go back in for him?

{Ed001's Note - yes, it still seems the most likely outcome. The lad wants the move, Lyon are willing to sell and Klopp wants him to join.}

3.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 11:18:40
But his knee injury ed. We should steer clear.

Never sign someone who has had a acl, ox and ings are a little bit of proof.

It. doesn't matter wether is called over cautious. But someone who wants to turn like he does and not use to the league and in a pressing team like ours, it's got a high chance of reoccurring

Be frustrating to have ox and him out at the same time when we could of avoided it.

{Ed001's Note - when the only worry is the injury, I would say that makes him a good gamble worth taking, personally.}

4.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 10:53:23
Aulas is doing right by his club and wanting the most for his club, you can’t argue with that. His methods are unorthodox but he gets what he wants which is a very good deal for Lyon. A tricky customer but if we want Fekir as much as Keita and VVD I trust the club to get it done.

P. s. he is also trying to drum up interest for a better deal, we all do the same if we are selling something so why should it be different for a player.

5.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 10:53:23
Aulas is doing right by his club and wanting the most for his club, you can’t argue with that. His methods are unorthodox but he gets what he wants which is a very good deal for Lyon. A tricky customer but if we want Fekir as much as Keita and VVD I trust the club to get it done.

P. s. he is also trying to drum up interest for a better deal, we all do the same if we are selling something so why should it be different for a player.

6.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 11:20:12
To be honest, I think Aulas comments are him trying to test us again for another bid, he knows what he’s doing, can play hard ball all he wants but it’s clear he wants to sell Fekir, absolutely obvious he does, just wants to make himself look good beforehand, getting tired of the Fekir saga though I must say.

7.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 13:22:30
Not when it's the knees. There season and career enders.

You would put 60 mil on him not suffering another acl in the next 5 season's with us?

Ings came 2 months into career, oxs 10 months.

It's to big of an injury to shake off as a gamble. It hits and he's gone for a season minimum. They usually follow with ankle and muscle problems after. We didn't see ings for 2 season's. The ox were not being for at least 12 months. Once he is back unfortunately he will suffer another Injury, probably muscle related.

Muscle problems you can always hope there down to the poor fitness programme and such but knees, ankles and back are impossible to overcomes even through excessive pain medication etc.

8.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 14:33:40
Kloppsboss - have you seen the medical results and has chance to analyse them? Assuming the answer is no you're just making assumptions. Knee injuries Can be career enders but you have no idea what's happening with this knee.

9.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 15:51:42
Wasn’t it us messing Lyon about with payment structures rather than the medical that stalled the talks?

10.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 16:04:51
It's nothing to do with the medical my obnoxious friend.

He has already suffered an acl. I'm saying once a player has had an acl you should steer well clear.

Recently we have been bitten twice by that in ings and ox. Both suffered acl, we sign them, put them in klopps press and they both got hit again, Danny boy got hit twice.

It's just not a 60million pound gamble worth making.

{Ed002's Note - Why did Liverpool waste all of that time then? You are making the club sound more stupid than the fans.}

11.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 16:21:49
I trust ed001 on this. None of us know what happened for real, if it is the knee, there will not be detailed info on Fekirs knee available for us. ACL injury could be careerending, but 98 % of athletes at a top level comes back to their former level. Reinjury is an area where there is produced little research about, but on studio shows a reinjury rate at 5,6 % (just 176 top athletes in the study) . There are big differences in secondary injuries (in ACL injuries), from non to meniscusinjuries, cartilage injuries, tendoninjuries and on and on. The medical staffs are getting better and better in handling these injuries, so if the real problem is Fekirs knee there is either a more complexinjury (most likelydende cartilageinjury), or there is a tactical matter to get the price down (or a different payment structure), or there is a whole different matter that we don't know anything about.

12.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 16:30:41
We have another mystic meg it seems!

{Ed002's Note - It was about the money. That was explained at the time. If a club wishes to buy a player, they make an acceptable offer and everyone is happy.}

13.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 16:52:38
Exactly Ed, some people just look into it more then what it actually is.

14.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 17:14:50
Omg. What are you all on today.

Mr 002 I meant my comment wasn't about the medical not the club's decision why they pulled the transfer

As for the stats behind it, all I know is the medical staff did wonders for the ox and they could do nothing to prevent the acl from returning, nor could they when Danny's hit against Tottenham for the second time with us. Both came in self inflicted non worrying situations

As for your stats is that all of athletes from any sport because if it includes golf then it's going to sqiff he results a bit or are they including gks etc? Or is it just prem based because Torres had 2, ings had 2, ox has had 2.

This is the prem. It's klopps high pressing system. It's intense and fekir is someone who like to turn sharply.

I just wouldn't want to stick 60 mil on it not going again. Would rather make a little safer investment. What's the point in having fekir but he's out injured?

{Ed002's Note - You really should not post on matters such as this as you are justting caught up in a web of dribble.}

15.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 17:30:42
Fair enough ed. Will steer clear in the future.

Fekir has never suffered an acl and unlike ox and Danny ings who both suffered secondary ones, he will not.

We should invest 60 million because there is absolutely no chance of another knee injury.

Apologies for getting involved with my silly comments!

16.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 17:32:30
Also ed I am well aware the club are trying to get the price lower by complaining about the medical. I completely understand that.

I'm talking from a fact point of view. He has had a acl. There's more chance of it returning that not. Is it worth a 60 million pound investment to find out?

{Ed002's Note - Well obviously Liverpool thought it was - otherwise why waste their tiem and effort on the player?}

17.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 18:03:04
I know the club thought it was, I'm just saying in my opinion I don't think it is a risk worth taking, that is all. As ings and the ox proved.

Thanks for the dialogue though dude/ dudet :)

18.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 19:49:24
Hi ed01 I was just wondering whether or not you see Fekir as a guaranteed. Obviously, that's down to Klopp but I think the majority see him walking straight into the startin XI. I for one, don't see it this way I think Jordan Henderson is going to rise to the occassion and take up a place in the midfield 3 with Keita and Fabinho. Fabinho will definitely play as the deepest lying midfielder and Keita will be our box to box player. Ok I definitely see Fekir as a better attacking option and more of a goal threat than Henderson but Jordan will make our midfield harder to penetrate and he'll be able to slot in easier if Fab or Keita get caught out of position. That midfield would screen our back four quite adequately in my opinion and still leave us with an abundance of attacking options. Plus Jordan will pass the ball earlier which should help improve our fluidity. Sometimes these gifted dribblers like Fekir can tend to hold on tobthe ball a tad too long for my liking. However I would be made up if we do get Fekir and he breaks into the starting XI. Imagine the competition for spots with Ox still to come.

{Ed001's Note - nothing is guaranteed.}

19.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 20:04:25
Thanks ed 01 Not the response I was looking for but never the less quick and honest.

20.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 18:55:32
Any player can rupture anything at anytime. Why waste time and money on anyone if you think like that? The club, the people who have looked in to such things and have thought long and hard about whether it is a risk, or not, have decided that he is worth it. That should be enough. It's not your cash, try not to worry about how much is spent, and on whom.

21.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 21:02:10
Kloppsboss - his ACL has only gone once, a year later he had a slight issue with his knee but he was only out for 3 weeks so not a serious one. Although his next knee injury came 5 months later and he was out for 1 month.

So far he hasn't reinjured his ACL keeping him out for too long, and he is still able to play the way he does.
If he only misses 1 month a season then it’s a lot better than if he kept rupturing his ligament and being out for half a season or more.

He was probably more likely to get injured during the world cup if it was as bad as you think.
He didn’t get many minutes and had to go full tempo straight away to keep up with the rest of the team when he did get on the pitch instead of warming into the game directly after a long warmup phase, that could have resulted in him stressing his knee with his movements but it hasn't :)
Wasnt finisged but lost my train of thought here so ima press send xD.

22.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 21:02:50
ACLs were a huge issue years ago not anymore. Within the last 15 years there are numerous examples of players coming back from ACL injuries and excelling. van Nistelrooy, Keane, Shearer, there is loads more recent ones but too many beers this pm!

Had both knees done myself and came back stronger on both occasions albeit just at Irish League level. Fekir will sign Lyon are just being their usual hardselves to deal with.

23.) 08 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 22:15:47
Alex oclade Chamberlain has just redone his after similar time boys. Like a few months ago. He's out till next year. Medical science has come on?

Danny ings did his twice, one whilst having a full rehabilitation programme under us.

Both did them in not obvious situations.

All I'm saying is its like would you rather buy a puppy or a dog that bit it's last owner on the arse. Sure it might never happen again but is it worth the risk?

They do have a high percentage of reoccurring in the prem, we have seen that over the past few years with our boys. Just imagine whacking 60 mil on the kid then fellaini or someone crashes his knee and that's it done. He's gone for the entire season.

Acl can happen to any player but your hedging your bets by buying someone who has never had one.

Pulisic for example. As good, huge love from klopp me

Or brandt. I just don't feel fekir is at that level where your like his quality just negates every bit of risk. Like a mbpape would or something. He's a good player but in the bracket of a lot of similar players.

I'm not wishing anything on him just more from a different perspective really couldn't stand going for him over a brandt or pulisic and then he is out for the season.

24.) 09 Jul 2018
08 Jul 2018 23:36:03
nobody on this site has seen Fekir's medicals. The truth is we don't know had bad his knee is, and how likely a problem is to happen. That's why you pay professionals you trust to give you their opinion. Our recruitment was very poor before klopp arrived. If his knee checks out and he is a player we like, then we should try to find an agreement with Lyon. Simple as that.

25.) 09 Jul 2018
09 Jul 2018 00:21:18
I actually agree with your opinion of recurrence Kloppsboss and there seems to be some facts to back it up which I have pasted below. What I think is that we have no idea what went on in medical but I am certain they are aware of the past injury, we do not know what the club plans are for the player, we are not football managers with detailed knowledge and experience at the highest level. We need to trust the club to make expensive decisions and simply welcome and support him if he arrives. If the lad gets injured again then so be it. but if he scores the winner in the next CL final. pay the price!

Paste:: Applies to US Football


Copied from US National Library of Medicine

Background

Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury is a severe event for a footballer, but it is unclear if the knee injury rate is higher on returning to football after ACL injury.

Objective

To study the risk of knee injury in elite footballers with a history of ACL injury compared with those without.

Method

The Swedish male professional league (310 players) was studied during 2001. Players with a history of ACL injury at the study start were identified. Exposure to football and all time loss injuries during the season were recorded prospectively.

Results

Twenty four players (8%) had a history of 28 ACL injuries in 27 knees (one rerupture) . These players had a higher incidence of new knee injury of any type than the players without ACL injury (mean (SD) 4.2 (3.7) v 1.0 (0.7) injuries per 1000 hours, p  =  0.02). The risk of suffering a knee overuse injury was significantly higher regardless of whether the player (relative risk 4.8, 95% confidence interval 2.0 to 11.2) or the knee (relative risk 7.9, 95% confidence interval 3.4 to 18.5) was used as the unit of analysis. No interactive effects of age or any other anthropometric data were seen.


Conclusion

The risk of new knee injury, especially overuse injury, was significantly increased on return to elite football after ACL injury regardless of whether the player or the knee was used as the unit of analysis.

26.) 09 Jul 2018
09 Jul 2018 07:59:18
Kloppboss and RedalLover. I wrote you a reply, but manged to post it on the trend believe this one.

27.) 09 Jul 2018
09 Jul 2018 18:23:17
Like you say, this study is from 2001 and the sample size isn't really big enough to provide an accurate conclusion.
Rehabilitation techniques have significantly improved in 17 years so I would suggest this data is not appropriate to today's game.

28.) 09 Jul 2018
09 Jul 2018 19:46:39
Bit late to this party but didn’t van nistlerooy’s original transfer to United get put on hold due to him rupturing his ACL? It pains me to say it still but he came back from that to have a long and successful career. injuries happen all the time, but it doesn’t mean a player can’t reach potential, look how good Fekir’s season was last year, he was incredible.