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29 Nov 2015 12:09:26
This is the team I've just received,

mignolet Clyne Skrtel Lovren Moreno

Milner Allen can Ibe Lallana


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29 Nov 2015 15:08:19
Perfect chance for Lallana and Milner to step up and make their presence felt. Good to see how the team gets on without our Brazilians.

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29 Nov 2015 15:18:33
Sturridge and Hendo on the bench!

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29 Nov 2015 15:20:26
5 british players. wow.

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29 Nov 2015 15:45:27
I don't think you're right on this one mate. Firmino looks like he'll start.

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29 Nov 2015 15:49:37
Firmino playing, Allen is not.

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28 Nov 2015 21:43:26
Mignolet - Clyne, Škrtel, Lovren, Moreno - Can, Milner, Allen - Ibe, Lallana - Benteke from that guy on Twitter who seems to get it right more often than not.

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28 Nov 2015 22:37:41
No Coutinho or Firmino? i'd be surprised with that line up.

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29 Nov 2015 00:50:17
I would be surprised too - thought I would post it anyway! Firmino looked knackered on Thursday though.

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29 Nov 2015 03:38:09
Coutinho did pick up that little knock last weekend, maybe making sure he doesn't pick up something more serious.

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29 Nov 2015 07:15:06
Over the next 2 weeks, we have 5 games with trips all the way south to Southampton, all the way north east to Newcastle as well as a trip to Switzerland. If there is a little niggle, I can understand Coutinho being rested but Klopp is not one to rest players with little niggles, so could be a tactical decision and management.

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29 Nov 2015 09:02:50
More surprised by no Lucas!

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29 Nov 2015 09:21:01
Lucas is suspended.

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29 Nov 2015 09:22:19
Lucas is suspended having picked up his 5th yellow against Man City last weekend.

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29 Nov 2015 09:45:41
Or he knows were at home and there is a huge chance Swansea will sit ten men on there 18 line which makes the city style obsolete!

We will play up to big ben today I think.

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29 Nov 2015 09:47:56
Lucas is suspended.

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28 Nov 2015 21:56:38
No Firmino or Coutinho? I can see Firmino rested, but I worry Coutinho is injured?

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28 Nov 2015 12:28:55
Hi eds, hope you're all good, heard a rumour that Jack Dunn has just signed a new contract, hoping this is true as he still has a lot of potential providing he can stay fit

Many thanks

Henlow red.

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27 Nov 2015 16:45:35
Ed001/2 any new strikers and GK we have been linked to? Karius is a lad I've heard a lot, any truth in this eds?

Also I was slated in the site when I said Sturridge is a waste of resource and one person had the audacity to say on form he's a good as Aguero? I don't know what he was smoking. He's played 70 games for LFC and missed 68. It's no where near good enough. Sturridge isn't fit to wear Agueros boots. New striker is needed. Compliments to Suarez for making him and sterling seem like real class players.

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{Ed002's Note - Mainz's Loris Karius transfer was linked with Benfica, Borussia Dortmund, Arsenal, Schalke and Valencia in January 2015. Previously played for Manchester City. Clubs do not look to sell firts pick goalkeepers in January.

Everyone tells me that Pato has signed and abuse when I say he hasn't. With Firmino, Benteke, Origi, Sturridge and Ings, it is not as far as I can tell a priority. And then there will be Balotelli to perhaps return as the savior as well. Tough to see a striker coming in without someone leaving.

27 Nov 2015 20:13:28
Sturridge is class and to he fair Agueros injury record is holding him back as well.

I think personally Sturridge fully fit is as good as anyone the but is when is he actually fully fit.

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27 Nov 2015 20:59:28
Let us assume that Liverpool have spent serious cash analysing Sturridge's situation and have been told its worth continuing with him because his problems are solvable, if you were in charge what you do?
I for one am here to Support Sturridge and Liverpool FC!

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27 Nov 2015 21:14:13
The attitude towards Sturridge in these forums is getting depressing. The fans here are acting like Board of Directors and Shareholders at the same time. We have a coach and financial directors who get to evaluate when a professional footballer has become a "waste of resources".

I, as a fan, don't care how much Sturridge is getting paid, he is one of our better players, has scored important goals for the team, and (at least to my knowledge) has not let us down with his behaviour or by wanting to jump ship when we were not playing well. So, I hope he will recover from the injury, and come back to score goals for our club until proven wrong.

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27 Nov 2015 23:42:22
To take a different view - based on Sturridge playing in 70 of a possible 138 games - in my job which lasts all year round I know what would happen if I rocked up for 27 or 28 weeks out of 52.

Nobody is doubting the lad is a class player. Nobody his doubting his loyalty to the club - though cynically you could argue that his loyalty maybe at least partly due to the regular pay cheque irrespective of him playing or not. To me the doubt is his mental approach. Nobody on God's earth is at peak physical fitness 100% of the time. Sometimes you have to suffer a bit of hardship. The lad seems to me (an outsider admittedly) to shy away.

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29 Nov 2015 01:10:17
Am off to check the Southampton page on this site to gauge the level of abuse being directed at Jay Rodriguez, he was out for a year with an ACL came back and broke down in training and is now out for another 3 months.

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29 Nov 2015 10:12:49
I love the irony of some of the comments about Sturridge.
What to get rid because he's injured and then sing ynwa.

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29 Nov 2015 14:18:21
You cannot compare a normal 9-5 job to that of a pro footballer, weak argument . Sturridge is injured and it's not his fault so we have to wait. Simple. The lad doesn't want to be injured does he. Some people need to chill out and not be so ready to sell a player who on his day is devastating. i love Sturridge and want him in my team, which does make it very frustrating but I won't jump on the sell him bandwagon YNWA.

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29 Nov 2015 15:25:13
Hey ed002, I was just wondering if pato has signed, then why have the clubs stayed quiet about it? Is it just a contract thing where they can't announce a deal until the transfer windows open? Not doubting you at all, just wondering how it all works. Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - You will have to ask all of the Liverpool fans who say he and ter Stegen have already agreed to move in January.}

26 Nov 2015 23:18:31
So it's bad news! Sturridge out for a further 12 weeks! Top player WHEN fit, but that is nowhere near often enough! I fear his time is up!

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27 Nov 2015 02:31:05
Could any of the eds let me know if there has ever been a player with this many injuries to different parts of the body? And how did their respective clubs treat them in relation to getting them back fit or getting rid?

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{Ed001's Note - whenever a player has a long term injury, they then pick up niggles and knocks constantly as they attempt to return to full fitness. It is normal. You just have to be cautious with them and keep your fingers crossed as luck plays a huge part.}

27 Nov 2015 04:16:23
Where you heard this?

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27 Nov 2015 04:38:12
Doubt the club would be revealing the results of a scan at 11pm.

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27 Nov 2015 10:45:00
12 weeks out?
Is the scan not taking place this afternoon?

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27 Nov 2015 11:26:36
How long are we going to keep waiting and waiting for him?
Surely its time to free up that wage.

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27 Nov 2015 13:24:27
Klopp has said its not too bad, I think another 12 weeks wouldn't fall in this category.

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27 Nov 2015 15:41:48
So, is Jurgen saying that Dan just needs to get his big boy pants on and take some man up pills?

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27 Nov 2015 16:13:50
No I think he's saying he's not going to be out for 12 weeks.

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27 Nov 2015 18:02:10
The gaffer has said the player needs to learn the difference between serious pain and (just) pain. Doesn't sound favourable really.

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27 Nov 2015 19:03:36
I said on here 6 moths ago that he was mentally weak and unwilling to play unless 100% fit - and get slagged for it.

Well done to Robboz for pointing out what Klopp is saying about serious pain and pain?

We cannot afford to carry a player on his wages unless we get over 30 games a season out of him at least and that is all there is to it.

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27 Nov 2015 20:48:55
It would be good to hear the EDS view on DS and his mental toughness. Ed1 as a fan especially.

Makes me laugh, in both previous posts in this thread I am saying the same thing effectively. No one agrees with first, no one disagrees with the second.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know the details well enough, nor the lad, to know if he struggles with mental toughness. He is certainly mentally tough enough to continue to have great self belief even when no one else believed he was capable of leading a line.

My issue with Sturridge is his off field activities, far too much time hanging round with musicians etc, when he should be concentrating on his recovery. Just because he doesn't drink, which is a good thing for an athlete, doesn't mean late nights aren't damaging his fitness.}

26 Nov 2015 11:34:08
Tonight's teams I'm reliably informed will be.
Migs, Clyne, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Milner, Lucas, Allen, Ibe, Benteke, Firmino.

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26 Nov 2015 12:17:26
Dissapointed to see no youth at all - would much prefer to give Branagan another game over Allen.

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26 Nov 2015 12:52:27
Crucial Ibe gets a good game tonight. His width should compliment Benteke.

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26 Nov 2015 12:56:36
Qualify then give youth an opportunity.

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26 Nov 2015 12:57:37
But will his crosses compliment benteke? His final delivery has been poor so far, hope he improves in this area and proves me wrong!

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26 Nov 2015 13:13:34
If we win today, we qualify for the next phase with a game in hand, and Klopp can put in the kids for the last game if needed.

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26 Nov 2015 13:57:01
'Qualify then give youth a chance'. Very similar sentiments to the dual paradox of 'you can't risk youth when you're fighting for a title' coupled with 'if you're losing you can't put the pressure on youth to turn it around'.

Play youth when its sensible to. Like when you're other midfield option is the terminally ineffective Joe Allen.

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26 Nov 2015 14:41:32
Think ibe will be on the left, milner will be on the right supplying benteke crosses.

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26 Nov 2015 15:23:28
If we qualify tonight, won't we want to avoid a champions league team and try and win the group?

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26 Nov 2015 23:07:53
As I said, Ibe has terrible distribution, oh well, good result though, also firmino had a shocker after how well he played at city!

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26 Nov 2015 05:45:03
hi ED02 . could you give some info about this tribunal regarding Ings transfer fee.
what are the basis of Burnleys evaluation of more than 10 million pounds and is it fair?
Why does Liverpool have to pay such high fees even though Ings contract was finished.
Is it because of the money spent by Burnley on his development?

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{Ed002's Note - The date, as far as I know has yet to be set - but it will be in the New Year. The Professional Football Compensation Committee will be formed to listen to cases put forward to justify why Burnley want what they do and why Liverpool only wish to pay a lesser amount. The members of the tribunal will typically include an independent contracts lawyer as a Chair, a representative of the leagues that the clubs play in (EPL and Championship) and two footballing representatives (probably one from an EPL side and one from a Championship side).

The onus was on the clubs to agree a fee and Burnley would have settled for something in the region of £7M-£8M. Liverpool initially offered £4M and eventually raised the offer to close to £6M. The Burnley figure of "£12M" is unconfirmed and speculation based on an offer Spurs made for the player.

The tribunal will take account of Ings now being a full England International. If I had to guess I suspect they will settle on a figure around £8M or so.

The reason for compensation being required is because the player is under 24. Burnley will have to pay part of the compensation to Bournemouth.}

26 Nov 2015 12:34:35
Ed02.I had read that they couldn't take the fact that he was now a full England international in account as this only happened AFTER he joined Liverpool. They could only look at the player he was etc while still at Burnley.
Does this make sense?

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{Ed002's Note - No, they can and will take it in to account.}

26 Nov 2015 21:26:10
will the fee be made public ed or will it be "undisclosed"?

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{Ed002's Note - All fees are in the public domain as they have to be registered with UEFA.}

26 Nov 2015 21:46:53
cheers ed going to be intresting to see the out come. he was doing well before injury. will be good value I'm sure.

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{Ed002's Note - I would agree Matt.}

25 Nov 2015 21:19:00
Good Evening Eds,

ED002, if you are about. over the last 12 months or so, you have wrote some really interesting articles in regards to the pan European breakaway in which I have read with great interest

You have mentioned the meetings that take place (every 6 months in Monaco? . I might be wrong)

Has there been any meetings in the last 3 to 6 months that have happened, and if so, could you share any info that may of come out of them?

Or is it still work in progress?

Is it still attended by the G14? If I remember rightly this all the clubs who have won the Champions league since Porto in 2004

When it comes to the breakaway, how will it be decided what clubs go into it?

And who will be the governing body?

Apologies in advance if you may of answered these questions before . I thought I would try and bring a conversation to the table away from Klipperty etc as I have really enjoyed reading your lengthy and informative replies on this topic before

All the best


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{Ed002's Note - The meetings were annually but now they happen two and sometimes three times a year. There is a meeting in December - and there will be a discussion about the state of FIFA, the situation with UEFA and a so far unpublished claim from a retired referee that the result of a Champions League game was influenced by a third party. The last meeting was at the end of August and included discussions about media rights and a proposal from two clubs that Timing wise, two very prominent clubs, club vs country issues and a proposal to change the forma of the UEFA League. Much of the time was taken up with a proposal from two sides who wish to see a breakaway league much sooner than has other wise been discussed. It went to a vote where they had support from one other side with two abstaining.

In terms of attendees it includes some but not all of the G14 sides. The sides that eventually have the opportunity to go in to a breakaway in the first instance will be the sides partaking in the meetings.

They have been unable to agree on a Governing body, but it will need to be new and independent.}

26 Nov 2015 10:52:44
Many thanks for the info, both appreciated and interesting.

As Liverpool had representatives in the original G14 (I have noticed this was disbanded in 2008 and replaced by a European FA with around a 100 clubs in it now) . do we still have a presence at these Monaco meetings?

Also Eds, have any more discussions taken place in regards to travelling / away fans, and if the clubs that do breakaway are actually going to have an away section in the ground?

Best regards.

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{Ed002's Note - The European Club Association has no involvement in any of this, nor in anything else of note. Liverpool are not involved in any of the discussions. All fans will be welcome to the games.}

26 Nov 2015 12:08:54
I know you say it is going to happen, I just think it will be bad for football. I know it needs to be restructured a bit, but who will be able to afford to go to away games more than once or twice a season if it was across Europe. I'm not sure how many teams you said would be in the league, but I recall you saying there would eventually be two leagues, but without champions league games, and say for English teams, no fa cup or league cup games, that's a lot less games. I know there will be more good games on, if there is another league, but I would still support Liverpool, presumably still in the epl, watch their games and only watch other games when I have time.
If the champions league was still around it would be Europa league teams mostly with a few extras.
Again, I know you said it is happening, but I pray it doesn't.

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{Ed002's Note - There is little doubt that eventually this will happen. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many English pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis.}

25 Nov 2015 16:42:23
Hi eds do you know of any players we have now acquired an interest in long term now klopp has arrived. Obviously you guys have more knowledge than most so do you know of any of klopps potential targets. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anyone other than those I have mentioned and some youngsters who have been pulled in or asked for trials (and these will not be related to KK or the first team) that the club has been looking at or formally declared an interest in. Obviously the scouting network will continue to attend matches and I could speculate over a couple of upcoming German players that Klopp may ask the scouts to look at over the coming months, but there is nothing of note that I recall having not shared at this time.}

25 Nov 2015 18:07:03
Hey ed! We would all love to hear your speculations, just out of curiousity!

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{Ed002's Note - You have been a real cutie. As a special treat I will give you Yunus Malli of Mainz and, as a real curve ball, Eintracht Frankfurt's Marc Stendera.}

25 Nov 2015 19:18:32
So interest in El Ghazi gone?

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{Ed002's Note - It remains.}

25 Nov 2015 21:30:35
Could you name the youngsters (or a phrase I can search), if that's ok Ed? I follow the u18's and u21's so I'd be pretty interested. Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - There are a couple of stand out German kids. Yunus Malli of Mainz and, as a real curve ball, Eintracht Frankfurt's Marc Stendera.}

25 Nov 2015 21:40:09
You do a top job ed. Great site.

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25 Nov 2015 22:25:07
Ronaldo, Bale, Muller, Gotze, Messi.

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25 Nov 2015 23:51:51
BRB - you forgot Reus and Lewandoski.

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25 Nov 2015 23:59:06
Geez Boot room, how can you forget Reus, Aubemeyang, Gundogan and Hummels (who love Klopp and can't bear to live in Germany anymore without him) and Neymar (who will leave to join Coutinho if Coutinho won't leave for Barca)

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25 Nov 2015 13:13:42
Dunno if it's already been posted but i thought I'd relay Bruce Grobelaars comments from his radio interview yesterday regarding Mignolet. These aren't exact quotes but it is more or less what he said.

He was asked for his opinion on whether Mignolet was a weak link and his answer couldn't have been more clear. He said that Mignolet wasn't good enough with his feet and wasn't good enough at commanding his area. He recognised the fact that Mingolet is a good shot stopper but then went on to reitterate that that's not enough to justify him keeping his place in our team. He even went as far to say that a 24 year old keeper he is couching at his club in Canada is not only just as good at shot stopping as Mingolet, but also does everything else much better. His opinion was scathing, but impossible to argue against.

He then rather interestingly said that Klopp is looking at a few keepers in the Bundesliga and that it wouldn't at all suprise him if Klopps first signing was a keeper.

I'm not sure how in the know he is so take his transfer info with a pinch of salt. But one thing is for sure, his analysis of Mignolet is yet further evidence that Mignolet is a weak link and that coaches within the game can see this. Weak links can be used by opoosition coaches to get results. So I have to agree with Bruce; Mignolet needs replacing irrespective of whether or not he is a good shot stopper.

Also it was good to hear that Bruce is linking up with Paul Dalglish at his Canadian club. I wish them both luck and I hope we put on a show against Swansea for Grobelaar as i doubt he gets to many games nowadays living in Newfoundland, Canada!

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25 Nov 2015 14:06:44
Grobelaar can take a running jump as far as I'm concerned. Fixing matches is entirely self serving, and not that of a stand up person. Any one that does that does NOT care for their team.

We all knew at the time Migs wasn't great with his feet during his signing. We've also known that LFC have looked at keepers. I doubt very much BG knows any inside info, that just isn't in the public domain already or common sense. With regards to the player he's coaching. I imagine he's probably just trying to get him signed up and promote him. If he's that good, he'd be in Europe already.

probably just wants a nice Brucey bonus if a club comes in for the kid, or just to enhance his reputation.

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25 Nov 2015 14:53:27
To be fair ed001 has said the club rated migs technical ability before we signed him.

If I am lying on your behalf ed please let me know. If I'm wrong I must of imagined it haha.

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{Ed001's Note - you did imagine it, I have never said any such thing.}

25 Nov 2015 15:34:56
Fair enough. Apologies. I'm sure someone said it but maybe not.

Might ahvr been they were unsure but Brendan wanted him anyway.

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25 Nov 2015 16:23:58
Fixing matches? Enlighten me please Bob. I've not heard this! I thought Grobs was a club legend. He was before my time but my dad loves him.

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{Ed002's Note - Try Googling it - this post already appears more than once on the site and the posts are getting to the point where it will get deleted soon.}

25 Nov 2015 20:28:29
Groblaar was and never will be a legend.

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26 Nov 2015 00:01:19
I think what he was accused of, whilst never proven was still certainly suspect, has tainted his memory but personally I remember him for more positive things and I can't think of him without also thinking about Dudek and the rubber leg thing.

I think his comments towards Mignolet, whilst not wrong, are a bit harsh coming from a former player and I would have thought he should be reaching out to him behind closed doors to offer support and advice - even on an informal basis.

I know that's probably naive, but it's not great when a legend calls out one of the current players. Migs, despite his shortcomings I think does put in the graft - he appears to have inherent weaknesses that may or may not be overcome by training but it's still unfortunate to hear BG's very public criticism - which sounds like a repeat of what he said last year some time.

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26 Nov 2015 09:22:25
Whilst Bruce was wrong to criticize on national radio, to suggest he is not a legend of the club is rediculous.
He won the league championship on numerous occasions, European cup, fa cup and league cup.
Regarding the allegations thrown at him I had the privelage some years ago of playing football alongside one of my heroes from that era, when I asked about BG and the rumours he told me that whilst he was eccentric he took his job very serious, was a winner and explained " if Brucie was throwing games for us and we still won everything, just how good were we".
Neither he or any of his former teammates he had discussions with thought that BG was anything other than fully committed to LFC.

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26 Nov 2015 09:31:05
Getting information about someone based on false tabloid reports really only make you look stupid. The comments were as ridiculous as the ones the S*n Printed about the 96 who died. I remember Bruce sitting in my office devastated and upset about being unable to get back in the team after illness. Kenny was very stubborn and having none of it, the rest of the team were arguing with Kenny as well. Anyway during all this he was saying how loyal he had been to to club and how he had been approached with these stupid offers to throw games but never did any such thing, he loyalty was always with the club. (This by the way was before the reports came out so he had no reason to discuss such matters with me and was not trying to defend anything that had been said. because at that point nothing had been said. ) Bruce obviously has contacts in the club, but he only talks as a Liverpool fan which he very much still is. He does not think Mignolet is good enough for Liverpool and that is his opinion. A lot of people on here are of the same opinion but no one attacks their character. Leave him alone he is a lovely guy.

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26 Nov 2015 07:01:24
Grobelaar's claims there's a world class keeper playing in Canada?

Probably referring to John Smith, the Canadian legend free agent keeper, from FIFA 12 career mode. But he's far too old for LFC by now (he's 31, not 24).

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